teamd 1 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Tomas Satoransky, Chi SG Joe Harris, Bkn SG Luka Doncic, Dal SG - $26 Damion Lee, GS SG For Zion Williamson, NO PF - $26 Gordon Hayward, Bos SF - $10 Paul George, LAC SF - $62 Pascal Siakam, Tor PF - $1 Clint Capela, Atl C - $52 League is Roto, 10 team, 3 keepers, wrote down the keeper salaries for the players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nytimes321 28 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Yes, that's an easy veto lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 I started doubting myself thats how crazy it is 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nytimes321 28 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) The Luka guy is giving up a top 5 player and 3 borderline free agents for 5 rosterable players including 2 top 30 guys lol Edited February 12, 2020 by nytimes321 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RunCMC 2,540 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Thats insane .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roco 0 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 wtf!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonutGiveUp 2,032 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 What kind of cheese does this league have? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RAGINGROOSTER 205 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Def VETO! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantasyPhreak5821 36 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Someone really wants Luka if it isn’t collusion why a veto? At the end of the year it is basically just a Siakam and Zion for Luka trade. I don’t see anything wrong with that. For the rest of this season it definitely changes some things, but maybe the guy giving Luka is trying to make a playoff push who knows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RAGINGROOSTER 205 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, PhantasyPhreak5821 said: Someone really wants Luka if it isn’t collusion why a veto? At the end of the year it is basically just a Siakam and Zion for Luka trade. I don’t see anything wrong with that. For the rest of this season it definitely changes some things, but maybe the guy giving Luka is trying to make a playoff push who knows. I don't agree with this... Luka may be a top 10 but the rest of the guys are barely 12 team rosterable. Technically, Siakam and Hayward would cancel each other out... basically he is getting PG, Capela and Zion, who has been feasting, for FREE. Sato, Harris and Lee does not come close to them in value. No clue what you're talking about. It's a no brainer VETO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 9 hours ago, PhantasyPhreak5821 said: Someone really wants Luka if it isn’t collusion why a veto? At the end of the year it is basically just a Siakam and Zion for Luka trade. I don’t see anything wrong with that. For the rest of this season it definitely changes some things, but maybe the guy giving Luka is trying to make a playoff push who knows. No playoff push in ROTO, that would be more easily digestible if it was the end of the season, but its barely half way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) Thank you all for helping out. I now kicked both players as they turn into drama queens and another inactive owner, so I am looking for 3 decent replacement, if someone is interested, please let me know. Edited February 13, 2020 by teamd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meteorya 45 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Well. I write her. It is I who want Doncic. I play second year in that league (non competetive, last year TeamD champ, I am 2nd). TeamD league manager rules by own purposes. About that trade - it 10 cat (AST/TO,DD) where Doncic very high. And Paul George not so. Doncic owner from 3 keepers had him and 2 bad keepers. I give him Siakam and George and see potential of Zion. With trade auction value of traded keeper goes 0$ (i don't know what it is this rule, my only auction league). Doncic owner receive this team after draft (and bottom part in standings) and had bunch of garbage. Maybe it was autodraft with 1$ players. With my players he can up in standings, in ROTO it nice, some motion. Tanking not every love. Anyway I don't know, but Doncic owner accepted trade. Why I give that much player? It is 3 keeper 10 team league. I had Jokic, Siakam, Jrue Holiday. You can see how I drafted (my bad, I not prepared). Lot of injuries, struggles, even Jokic on start was outside top 10. But I work good on WW (unlimited acquisitions), and grabbed a lot of players from top50-top70 (and WW still not empty for top70 production - non competetive league). Even with that trade I can hold 2nd place, I had good players for all positions and see other ones on WW (close to ASB here a lot of players). First place was TeamD - 3 keepers from top 10 (Towns, Lillard, Leonard) and good draft. With loaded team he don't need much from WW. He was ahead of me like 80pts vs 73pts and still had >20 games played less than me. I can't reach my week cats (FT% - Capela ****** strong I had a huge gap in FT% from next place), 3PT - just loose threes in 1st half season with 4 center rotation and injuried P.George and Kyrie (in January traded him for VanVleet, after trade Fred immediately had his own injury). WW all 3PT specialist was outside top 100. Why I made "queen drama" (I don't know what second banned owner did) - TeamD non honest. Uphelding this trades: 10.02.2019 - Team D receive Damian Lillard for Kenneth Faried, Kyle Lowry06.11.2018 - Team D receive Lebron James, Nemanja Bjelica for Pascal Siakam, Victor Oladipo, Ricky Rubio. Last trade for this week - Teamd accepted my trade - Paul George (undroppable fantasy list) for his C.J. Mccollum (worse in all cats and 0 DD, 3-position player versus SG only). LM uphelding this trade before earlier my trade - I gave my Jokic to someone (I traded my non droppable keepers), and my plan was just destroy my team. It's more fun than playing hard and see corrupted LM. He just uphelding his trades not waiting other owners votes vor 2 days (in bad trades I vetoed every time). My trade for Doncic wasn't desperate. I still can be 2nd (2-3 other teams really play not bad). But with next year I can easely compete with my two top keepers Jokic and Doncic. No one other give me good keepers with my players. And what proposal I receive for my Jokic - jokes only trades Because of that i set this high price (not actually that high - Siakam and George outside top30 per game on trade date because injuries limited them, next year be better for new owner). Capela was injured with potential season ending, I had many centers. Zion was outside top100, yes last games without Ingram was good. But Doncic just one year older and already top10 and non knee issues lottery. What fun to play in non competetive league and LM that uses power for his goals? I don't know who was champ in last years (nothing strange if alltime was TeamD). On my quotes about non fair game LM not responded about it. After that trade power of league not changes, only next year I having better keeper. This RW post he wrote just simple like it ridiculous. It better for him like nothing happens and he get his 1st place every time. In league thread only one other owner reacted, he was fine about it. So you see that league almost died. Yes, after vetoed my trade, I decided to stop pursuing, and make some weak moves and must be banned. It's okay. You can blame for my moves and this post. But just aware that type of league managers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
megamike69 26 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 In a 3 keeper league I can see someone willing to pay that much for Luka, he's the #1 overall dynasty asset. If not collusion then shouldn't be vetoed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 All this drama...that was a clear veto in MY league, there are plenty of leagues dude, stop being a child, you make no sense, all that god damn post for an f-ing fantasy vetoed trade. Move on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
megamike69 26 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 If commish really accepted PG13 for McCollum after vetoing above trade (with PG13 as part of it) then it is a bit messed up. As a 3 keeper league with salaries, the trade in the original post is not unfair. Paul George $62 and Clint Capela $52 are not really worthy keepers. Siakam at $1 is a superb deal, but so is Luka at $26 who is the best dynasty player overall. Actually a fair trade - the fact that it might help one of the teams more in terms of winning this year is irrelevant, it plausibly helps both teams involved especially considering future years too. I'm not related to this league, just trying to make an objective assessment based on information above. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, megamike69 said: If commish really accepted PG13 for McCollum after vetoing above trade (with PG13 as part of it) then it is a bit messed up. As a 3 keeper league with salaries, the trade in the original post is not unfair. Paul George $62 and Clint Capela $52 are not really worthy keepers. Siakam at $1 is a superb deal, but so is Luka at $26 who is the best dynasty player overall. Actually a fair trade - the fact that it might help one of the teams more in terms of winning this year is irrelevant, it plausibly helps both teams involved especially considering future years too. I'm not related to this league, just trying to make an objective assessment based on information above. I am the LM and he proposed George for my Cj and I accepted, leaving it to be voted by the league. The trade is not that unbalanced. He was kicked out and i canceled the trade. Regarding the vetoed trade, you are out of your mind, that trade was a clear veto, for at least 10 reasons. End of story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantasyPhreak5821 36 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 4:14 PM, RAGINGROOSTER said: I don't agree with this... Luka may be a top 10 but the rest of the guys are barely 12 team rosterable. Technically, Siakam and Hayward would cancel each other out... basically he is getting PG, Capela and Zion, who has been feasting, for FREE. Sato, Harris and Lee does not come close to them in value. No clue what you're talking about. It's a no brainer VETO. It is a keeper league, not everyone is on the same timeline. Future value must always be considered. You aren’t gonna get a player like Luka without breaking the bank for him. This is a huge trade with ramifications both in the present and the future. Time would have told the tale, but instead it led to just drama and nonsense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, PhantasyPhreak5821 said: without breaking the bank for him Have you actually looked at the trade? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dorwell 418 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, teamd said: I am the LM and he proposed George for my Cj and I accepted, leaving it to be voted by the league. The trade is not that unbalanced. He was kicked out and i canceled the trade. Regarding the vetoed trade, you are out of your mind, that trade was a clear veto, for at least 10 reasons. End of story. Dude, why didn't you mentioned in your first post that this is a keeper league with 10 cats? Maybe that could've helped, dont you think? And if you ask here if the trade should be vetoed, you should be sensible with constructive answers like the one from @megamike69 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 5:01 AM, teamd said: League is Roto, 10 team, 3 keepers, wrote down the keeper salaries for the players. You mean this line? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
teamd 1 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, dorwell said: And if you ask here if the trade should be vetoed, you should be sensible with constructive answers like the one from @megamike69 You are correct about that 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dorwell 418 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, teamd said: You mean this line? You are correct about that. I didn't see that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhantasyPhreak5821 36 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 12 hours ago, teamd said: Have you actually looked at the trade? Yes I looked at the trade and the bank was broken to get Luka. As it should be. I didn’t have a problem with the trade. Certainly a whole lot was going on, but that happens with trades. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whokevjones 1 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 One of the worst trades I’ve ever seen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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