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1 hour ago, FISH ON said:

Check out a book titled " End of Days" by Silvia Brown, written in 2008, she basically called this virus, to the "T".. or rather, to the "C"-19...I'll let you all read it rather than footnote it...you have the time, so read it..


So, she took liberties and predicated an event that happens on a fairly regular bases (in perspective of world history), with information that can be found in scientific journals, other historical writings, has been done so by many other authors and Hollywood writers? Call me shocked.  
 

If I say that a virus will happen again in about 20 years that has very similar characteristics, patterns and point of origin then I’m some sort of median? 

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Crazy with no sports. Talked to my wife last night.  Apparently works in HR. Nice girl. 

Giancarlo Stanton just sprained his wrist washing his hands

This is the rant of someone who’s never had to sacrifice anything or even think about anyone other than themself. Just grotesque.

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20 hours ago, Ecofolux said:

Dude are you a Chinese government official or something?? They took extreme measure after the fact that they were exposed globally and didn't want the virus to spread in their own country. The Chinese government does not, I repeat, DOES NOT care about the rest of the world. They can lockdown entire cities, arrest whoever they want, DO whatever they want because Xi Jinping is a dictator and what he says goes, and if you disagree...off to black prison for you! Never to be heard from again.

I'm not saying I like their society at all. They are communist which goes against everything I believe and yes they can lockdown entire sections of the country if they want. It worked, Didn't it? It will never happen here because we are spoiled and don't want to give up our freedoms for the betterment of the entire society. If you don't think money is a big factor you're sadly mistaken, all sports are halted they are telling people to stay home yet the casino's are still open. A breeding ground for bacteria.

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19 hours ago, Slatykamora said:

That's a very cynical way of putting it. More like American culture values individualism and freedom as a principle. Where the eastern culture is different. Scandinavia is also rather collectivist. Italy is the one that waited to long to shut things down.

Everyone cares about money.

I agree. about valuing individualism and freedom as a principle but when it comes to this type of crisis, you have to put your selfishness aside for the betterment of society. i keep hearing about American Values. Does that include letting people die so you can keep your individual freedom to keep doing whatever you want without any regard for your fellow citizens. If this was the attitude during WW2 a lot of men and women who joined the war effort for the betterment of society wouldn't have. 

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2 hours ago, 2ndCitySox said:

So in your opinion, the reaction to this by the ENTIRE world is ridiculous.

 

In the context of other infectious and deadly diseases, yes. At least the media is drumming up the hysteria. I understand some sort of response is necessary. 

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1 hour ago, AJdude said:

The projected reaction is.  Healthy athletes are not at any sort of mortality risk at this juncture.  Suspending the season for two weeks is reasonable.  That should be sufficient to flatten the curve, as they say.  Provided Gobert and Mitchell recover, then maybe play two more weeks in limited arena capacity situations but by early to mid-April there should be no reason to stop the world any longer.  Those who are high risk should continue to self-quarrantine at that point, but nobody else.

Flus sweep through professional teams every winter/spring, and it doesn't stop the world.  Some caution here is fine and probably warranted, but not for months on end.  That seems to be a little out there, IMO.

 

Exactly.

I have two questions regarding this disease. 

1) How do we know COVID-19 (if left unchecked) would kill more than the flu? It's been raging for months now and there's no evidence it is killing at a higher rate than seasonal flu. The fatality totals worldwide are still a fraction of what the flu kills just here in the US.

2) If this disease left unchecked would, in fact, kill more, it still doesn't make sense that we pull out all the stops for it but life goes on without disruption during the height of flu season which kills tens of thousands of Americans annually. 

 

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16 minutes ago, IceGoat said:

 

Exactly.

I have two questions regarding this disease. 

1) How do we know COVID-19 (if left unchecked) would kill more than the flu? It's been raging for months now and there's no evidence it is killing at a higher rate than seasonal flu. The fatality totals worldwide are still a fraction of what the flu kills just here in the US.

2) If this disease left unchecked would, in fact, kill more, it still doesn't make sense that we pull out all the stops for it but life goes on without disruption during the height of flu season which kills tens of thousands of Americans annually. 

 

How much more evidence do you need that the fatality rate of this virus is somewhere 20-80x higher than that of flu?  In fact, in your research what ARE the fatality rates for season flu and then for Covid (so far, or as projected by the world health organization etc)?

And im sure you agree that shutting borders and basically everything down is a massive economic issue, right? So can you please answer why you think every world government, from the far left to the far right, liberal to conservative to authoritarian to socialist are ALL shutting everything down?

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8 minutes ago, IceGoat said:

 

Exactly.

I have two questions regarding this disease. 

1) How do we know COVID-19 (if left unchecked) would kill more than the flu? It's been raging for months now and there's no evidence it is killing at a higher rate than seasonal flu. The fatality totals worldwide are still a fraction of what the flu kills just here in the US.

2) If this disease left unchecked would, in fact, kill more, it still doesn't make sense that we pull out all the stops for it but life goes on without disruption during the height of flu season which kills tens of thousands of Americans annually. 

1. Do we want to know? This is why you take preventative measures.
2. It makes plenty of sense when the people sick from this virus leads to a lack of available care for people suffering with other illnesses.  The domino effect leads to people with other illnesses dying at a higher rate when they could've been saved.

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6 minutes ago, Cesare13 said:

 

Ive tried to stay out of this discussion since it seems to be full of anger, ridicule and vitriol on all sides.  Neverthelsss, I hope everyone realizes that the strict measures put in place by governments is not done because they think everyone will drop dead.  It’s being done to try to somehow stem the massive need for hospital beds and respirators for those at risk.  The sooner this message is clear and EVERYONE does their part, the sooner we can go back to complaining how Rougned Odor went 0-5 again.

Stay safe everyone,

+5 for an Odor 0-5 reference.  Nothing makes my blood boil more than when you see that the Rangers put up a 10 spot and you click box score and see that little s***head went 0-5. 

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4 minutes ago, IceGoat said:

It's been raging for months now and there's no evidence it is killing at a higher rate than seasonal flu

 

False:

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Seasonal flu has a fatality rate of less than 1%. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases on Capitol Hill, estimates that the fatality rate of flu is closer to 0.1%. But even accounting for the mild, yet undiagnosed cases of COVID-19, he said Wednesday, it would still make it “roughly 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”

 

Just because we don't have an exact number on the COVID-19 fatality rate yet doesn't mean we don't have a range, and I posted a graphic showing that range here a few days ago.  TL;DR according to field experts, seasonal flu has a 0.1% fatality rate, while COVID-19's looks to be in the range of 0.7% to 3.4%, or 7 to 34 times as lethal. 

 

22 minutes ago, IceGoat said:

The fatality totals worldwide are still a fraction of what the flu kills just here in the US.

 

Would you compare strikeout totals in the 2019 season to strikeout totals in the first month of 2020?  Seasonal flu is usually on the decline in March, while COVID-19 is doing this.  Comparing deaths in two months from the thing that's growing larger to deaths in a full year from the thing that's declining is very flawed analysis.

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2 hours ago, 2ndCitySox said:

So in your opinion, the reaction to this by the ENTIRE world is ridiculous.

 

A pretty strong indication to me is the fact that these owners, who are the greediest people on earth, are punting so much money by postponing the seasons.  

While I take my hat off to dudes like Springer coming up with some money to help their fellow employees note that it's often the players doing it.  Yeah, Springer is super rich. But if you were "only" worth a billion dollars on the nose, the $100k Springer donated would be 1/10,000 of your net worth. If your net worth is $100k, that would be like you donating $10.  While some owners, like Cuban, have stepped up right away, seems most haven't.  Even though their businesses are often funded by the public on the premise that they create peanut selling jobs and whatever.    

 

Anyway, they aren't people who part with money when it can be avoided and they are leaving millions, if not billions on the table across all the sports.

 

Having said that, I do expect to see a big chunk of baseball.  The objective of all these precautions is, as far as I can tell, just to slow the spread of the virus so the system isn't flooded.  Even if the warm weather doesn't help, at some point we'll just have to deal with it as best we can.  

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26 minutes ago, tonycpsu said:

 

False:

 

Just because we don't have an exact number on the COVID-19 fatality rate yet doesn't mean we don't have a range, and I posted a graphic showing that range here a few days ago.  TL;DR according to field experts, seasonal flu has a 0.1% fatality rate, while COVID-19's looks to be in the range of 0.7% to 3.4%, or 7 to 34 times as lethal. 

 

 

Would you compare strikeout totals in the 2019 season to strikeout totals in the first month of 2020?  Seasonal flu is usually on the decline in March, while COVID-19 is doing this.  Comparing deaths in two months from the thing that's growing larger to deaths in a full year from the thing that's declining is very flawed analysis.

 

Agree and good points.  And the point others make that the death rate might be lower because of all of the asymptomatic cases of COVID-19, the same is true of influenza.  There are asymptomatic people who carry and spread influenza each year. 

Pandemic experts have been talkng for years about the risk of just this sort of pathogen- a novel (meaning no ones immune systems have been exposed) influenza or coronavirus type pathogen with a high death and ICU rate spread by respiratory droplets with a variable clinical course including an asymptomatic period.  This is the droid we've been looking for. Any comparison to how we typically deal with the seasonal flu, shows a lack of understanding of the situation. 

Trump has moved on and now understands the critical nature of consistent messaging.  Anyone else holding onto coronavirus hoax or "everybody is overreacting" theories needs to do the same. This will pass but first we need to take a selfie.

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I'm going to rush into target and load my cart up with Oat Milk to see if I can cause a panic run on milk alternatives

 

(Also illinois is closing all restaurants and bars effective tuesday morning)

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39 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

I'm going to rush into target and load my cart up with Oat Milk to see if I can cause a panic run on milk alternatives

 

(Also illinois is closing all restaurants and bars effective tuesday morning)

Massachusetts governor just announced that...He also went one more step K-12 schools are now closed for three weeks instead of two. 

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1 hour ago, Cmilne23 said:

+5 for an Odor 0-5 reference.  Nothing makes my blood boil more than when you see that the Rangers put up a 10 spot and you click box score and see that little s***head went 0-5. 

well at the rate the hystrerics are taking over, you won't have to worry about that again until 2021.  Maybe ever again.

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55 minutes ago, Blood Brother said:

June/July start at the earliest for MLB and any other professional sports league

 

Nobody has to listen to the CDC.  They're not the law.  Unconstitutional for them to dictate anything to American citizens, especially a two month shutdown of the economy.  Less than 50 people have died, almost half of which were old age home residents in the Seattle nursing home that got blindsided with the first wave.  The Chinese are laughing their assess off at us.  Wouldnt be surprised to see them take a major military action considering the absolutely misguided rectitude derived from the real contagion here, virtue signaling-itis.

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4 hours ago, mtblock said:

But what do you do with the athletes, isolate them? Keep them from their family? This isn't about protecting the healthy, it's about the vulnerable. 

It's irresponsible to cite the flu numbers now. Do it when this is all over. Italy is still jumping up, US is just getting started. 

It's just as irresponsible to assume the death rate from COVID-19 when people who "test positive" don't even necessarily show symptoms and others survive, not to mention those who may have gotten it already and survived but won't be included in the denominator when calculating the actual mortality rate.

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3 minutes ago, AJdude said:

Nobody has to listen to the CDC.  They're not the law.  Unconstitutional for them to dictate anything to American citizens, especially a two month shutdown of the economy.  Less than 50 people have died, almost half of which were old age home residents in the Seattle nursing home that got blindsided with the first wave.  The Chinese are laughing their assess off at us.  Wouldnt be surprised to see them take a major military action considering the absolutely misguided rectitude derived from the real contagion here, virtue signaling-itis.

All they did was make recommendations.  

 

Just in case anybody is interested in what extremely intelligent people who have spent their lives studying these issues have to say.

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3 hours ago, meh2 said:

Two weeks of suspending the season should be sufficient to flatten the curve? That’s great! Someone alert all the infectious disease experts that we can all get back to normal in two weeks. You really are misinformed on this topic. 

I'll say the same about you....I wouldn't say empty arena sporting events is "back to normal", which I proposed as an additional segueway/buffer back into normalcy..  But at some point what's going to be worse:  An obliterated economy sprinkled with mass hoarding and fear buying or the infection rate?  My money's on economic destruction being the bigger issue, no pun intended.

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9 minutes ago, AJdude said:

well at the rate the hystrerics are taking over, you won't have to worry about that again until 2021.  Maybe ever again.

I think its more that people are being precautionary and taking preemptive measures not hysteria. Hysterical would be more along the lines of running out into the woods, in your underwear with arms a flailing, and hiding out in a cave. 

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