HarmStrong 615 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said: It’s amazing that one can’t figure out how much easier it is to provide for 25 million people, almost all on the East coast, and how providing for 400 million stretched across a large land mass might pose different challenges. Your population is lower than Texas. It’s not comparable. Those numbers pale in comparison to the amount of people around the world who have universal healthcare. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care It's amazing how the richest country in the world allows billionaires to convince them they can't afford a better quality of life. Check it out for yourself. Americans pay more per capita than any other country in the world yet are ranked 37th in overall health care performance. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000 This should make you angry. You're being lied to at the expense of your well-being. Stop repeating the lies that benefit the absurdly-rich and start speak the truth for a better future. Edited March 14, 2020 by HarmStrong 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HarmStrong 615 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom Chambers said: Ahhh the online socialist circlejerk. It reminds me of the online atheist circlejerk ten years ago. Same type of kids, same type of results. What else do you think MLK was wrong about? 😳 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,295 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HarmStrong said: Those numbers pale in comparison to the amount of people around the world who have universal healthcare. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care It's amazing how the richest country in the world allows billionaires to convince them they can't afford a better quality of life. Check it out for yourself. Americans pay more per capita than any other country in the world yet are ranked 37th in overall health care performance. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000 This should make you angry. You're being lied to at the expense of your well-being. Stop repeating the lies that benefit the absurdly-rich and start speak the truth for a better future. Lmao thanks for the wiki links man. You’ve really done a deep dive into this. Now show me a single country with the size and population of the US. I ain’t being lied to. As I mentioned, I watch Canadians flock here because they all like their HC until they need to use it. I’ll take the quality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taenggg 1,191 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said: Lmao thanks for the wiki links man. You’ve really done a deep dive into this. Now show me a single country with the size and population of the US. I ain’t being lied to. As I mentioned, I watch Canadians flock here because they all like their HC until they need to use it. I’ll take the quality. Can you take some pictures next time you see these flock of Canadians that cross the border? Do they perform a flying V in the sky? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I have just one question for all defenders of US health care (which is for profit btw), people like @Tom Chambers, @Backdoor Slider : Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? And if you say yes, how do you suggest that can be done? And I am gone to read bold predictions thread, it is far less depressing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Chambers 1,667 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, HarmStrong said: What else do you think MLK was wrong about? 😳 All kinds of ****? Do you think he was a saint or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Chambers 1,667 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: I have just one question for all defenders of US health care (which is for profit btw), people like @Tom Chambers, @Backdoor Slider : Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? And if you say yes, how do you suggest that can be done? And I am gone to read bold predictions thread, it is far less depressing Define "access" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,295 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, taenggg said: Can you take some pictures next time you see these flock of Canadians that cross the border? Do they perform a flying V in the sky? Or you can just do some research. This is common knowledge. Just try reading maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tom Chambers said: Define "access" You are sick and after googling for symptoms that you feel, you think you have appendicitis. You need to go and see the doctor, because you might need surgery. In Canada, you go and see the closest doctor to where you are, regardless where in Canada are you at the moment. What do you do in the USA? Edited March 15, 2020 by Gile Pile Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,295 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Gile Pile said: You are sick and after googling for symptoms that you feel, you think you have appendicitis. You need to go and see the doctor, because you might need surgery. In Canada, you go and see the closest doctor to where you are, regardless where in Canada are you at the moment. What do you do in the USA? I mean, same. Although probably to urgent care or the hospital. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, Backdoor Slider said: I mean, same. Although probably to urgent care or the hospital. Will every hospital admit you, regardless if you have insurance or not? What about answering the question I asked: Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,295 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: Will every hospital admit you, regardless if you have insurance or not? What about answering the question I asked: Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? Yes, they are required to treat even without insurance. The question wasn’t really being answered because essentially all have access in this way. The bigger issue with our system (and one I’m willing to admit) are the non-life threatening. Because of cost, some people don’t go for small things (like tests) that could’ve meant something was caught earlier. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mbroo5880i 915 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I am not sure even if the answer to worldwide healthcare were to be presented in this forum it will make much difference. I guess if we can't discuss basketball or any sports right now, healthcare is as good of a topic as any. Back on topic, I do believe that the NBA has taken a good approach to this issue by postponing the season until things play out a little and can be better assessed. The NCAA position seemed to have been hastily made as they were in the middle of some of the conference tournaments. It is unfortunate that winter sports will not get to finish their championship tournaments and spring sports have been cancelled altogether. I know there is hope that in 30-days the NBA may be able to resume play. That may be a little optimistic but, frankly, no one knows. The question is what will be the quality of play following such a long layoff from game action. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cdrichar 66 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Backdoor Slider said: Lmao thanks for the wiki links man. You’ve really done a deep dive into this. Now show me a single country with the size and population of the US. I ain’t being lied to. As I mentioned, I watch Canadians flock here because they all like their HC until they need to use it. I’ll take the quality. Show me a single country with the money the US has. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Backdoor Slider 8,295 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, HarmStrong said: Those numbers pale in comparison to the amount of people around the world who have universal healthcare. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_universal_health_care It's amazing how the richest country in the world allows billionaires to convince them they can't afford a better quality of life. Check it out for yourself. Americans pay more per capita than any other country in the world yet are ranked 37th in overall health care performance. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000 This should make you angry. You're being lied to at the expense of your well-being. Stop repeating the lies that benefit the absurdly-rich and start speak the truth for a better future. Universal Healthcare...like Italy. Who doesn’t have enough doctors and is now choosing who lives and who dies. https://www.businessinsider.com/italy-falling-apart-coronavirus-pandemic-doctors-tough-choices-2020-3 Edited March 15, 2020 by Backdoor Slider 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 50 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Backdoor Slider said: Universal Healthcare...like Italy. Who doesn’t have enough doctors and is now choosing who lives and who dies. https://www.businessinsider.com/italy-falling-apart-coronavirus-pandemic-doctors-tough-choices-2020-3 They are choosing between old people who has a multi-organic failure of more than three vital organs ( it means that you have a one hundred percent mortality rate ) and people who can be really saved. Unfortunately there is an imbalance between hospital resources, ICU beds and critically ill people. They are facing the ordinary and the extraordinary at the same time because that's what happens when a pandemic suddenly hits you so hard. By the way, I think Italy has more doctors per capita then US but thanks for the business link man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkyume 940 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said: Universal Healthcare...like Italy. Who doesn’t have enough doctors and is now choosing who lives and who dies. https://www.businessinsider.com/italy-falling-apart-coronavirus-pandemic-doctors-tough-choices-2020-3 ...do you not believe this isn't going to happen very soon to us or something? Hospitals are gonna be overwhelmed regardless of what healthcare system we're on. Personally I think we're pretty screwed, and that it's very American of us that we didn't take this situation seriously until the NBA shutdown + Tom Hanks where something / someone we know actually got affected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Chambers 1,667 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Gile Pile said: You are sick and after googling for symptoms that you feel, you think you have appendicitis. You need to go and see the doctor, because you might need surgery. In Canada, you go and see the closest doctor to where you are, regardless where in Canada are you at the moment. What do you do in the USA? Literally the same thing? What has the internet taught you lmao Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 29 minutes ago, Tom Chambers said: Literally the same thing? What has the internet taught you lmao What about answering the question I asked: Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? still waiting for you answer. And if you answer yes, how do you propose to achieve that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Chambers 1,667 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: What about answering the question I asked: Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? still waiting for you answer. And if you answer yes, how do you propose to achieve that. I specifically asked you what access meant, and you didn't answer lol Hey since the season is over, did you lose your Siakam bet? Again? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quazza 2,353 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Our (Australia) national Basketball league are currently playing their final series in empty stadiums. Pretty weird to watch. Our national football league is about to start this week, also in empty stadiums. That one is going to be REAL weird - the opening game usually has over 90,000 people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator83 248 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 8 hours ago, mbroo5880i said: I am not sure even if the answer to worldwide healthcare were to be presented in this forum it will make much difference. I guess if we can't discuss basketball or any sports right now, healthcare is as good of a topic as any. Back on topic, I do believe that the NBA has taken a good approach to this issue by postponing the season until things play out a little and can be better assessed. The NCAA position seemed to have been hastily made as they were in the middle of some of the conference tournaments. It is unfortunate that winter sports will not get to finish their championship tournaments and spring sports have been cancelled altogether. I know there is hope that in 30-days the NBA may be able to resume play. That may be a little optimistic but, frankly, no one knows. The question is what will be the quality of play following such a long layoff from game action. I'm a little less optimistic, for sure I'm terms of fantasy. If the regular season even does return, it would probably be like a 10 game schedule. And the only teams that won't be sitting their stars for a good chunk of them are the teams still fighting for position. Like, do you think the Wizards will play Beal all 10 games? The Bulls Lavine now that 82 is out the window? Now as a Bulls fan, I hope they do give us every possible game of starting Zach and Coby together and give us a preview on if it appears to be a good pairing or not, but I'm not counting on it. Warriors certainly ain't playing Steph every game, etc. I'm guessing Mitchell, Gobert and wood won't be seen again this season. The whole reason why I run my leagues to where playoffs end with 4 weeks left in the NBA season, is to try and possibly beat some of those late season shutdowns and rest games for teams whose position is settled. I don't think it's a good idea to start the playoffs when there will be so little season left, AND after a long layoff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Tom Chambers said: I specifically asked you what access meant, and you didn't answer lol Hey since the season is over, did you lose your Siakam bet? Again? I see you are still avoiding the question. Untill you answer I am done with you. Enjoy your life and a the best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Chambers 1,667 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 What does access mean lmao Why are you being weird Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, Tom Chambers said: What does access mean lmao Why are you being Here you go: Access to health services means "the timely use of personal health services to achieve the best health outcomes." It requires 3 distinct steps: Gaining entry into the health care system (usually through insurance coverage) Accessing a location where needed health care services are provided (geographic availability) Finding a health care provider whom the patient trusts and can communicate with (personal relationship) https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/topics-objectives/topic/Access-to-Health-Services In case you forgot the question I've asked: Should all people have access to the medical services when they need them, whatever those services might be (broken leg, being pregnant, test for whatever)? And if you say yes, how do you suggest that can be done? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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