Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 credible sources (other than Fraser institute) or hear say? No, I don't hate America. I am just concerned that coronavirus will cause lots of disturbance in the USA, and that will affect Canada. So I am being selfish, I want my little country (which is bigger than the US btw) to remain positive and prosperous place. And after reading latest coronavirus guidelines from White House I am even more concerned. I see that "Contact your medical provider" is used very often. Who is the medical provider for 27 million people without health insurance? How is US health care system going to deal with them? "https://www.foxnews.com/politics/here-are-the-coronavirus-guidelines-released-by-the-white-house Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator83 248 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 37 minutes ago, alexstr said: lol ok we get it dude, you don't like America. We get it, really. Your country has its own problems, your weather sucks, your economy is a tiny fraction of ours, you have virtually no innovation, housing issues, treat your indigenous like garbage, etc. Nit pick at any country and you can find things to complain about. If anyone gave a crap about Canada, I'm sure there's plenty to talk about. But no one does, so no one does. And medically, you guys are no utopia either. 40% of people in Canada wait 2+ hours in the ER and 40% have to wait a month to see a specalist. Average wait time to receive treatment in Canada is ~20 weeks, in the US it's 3-6 weeks. So at the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Again, we get it. You hate America. Cool. We're still better than you. Just to add, the people that keep saying we need to have free universal health care, whos gonna pay for it? Nothing in life is free. If our government is footing the bill for 100% of everybody's healthcare needs, how are they going to pay for all that? Squeeze the working class for more than they already are? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alexstr 737 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 35 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: I am just concerned that coronavirus will cause lots of disturbance in the USA, and that will affect Canada. I think your blackface-wearing prime minister has sealed borders anyways, so nothing to worry about. By the way, your cases of COVID-19 doubled over the weekend, can't wait for all of those great free facilities to be put to the test. Enjoy your 12-hour ER waits. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Ok, let's revisit in two weeks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eltoro 716 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, Dominator83 said: Just to add, the people that keep saying we need to have free universal health care, whos gonna pay for it? Nothing in life is free. If our government is footing the bill for 100% of everybody's healthcare needs, how are they going to pay for all that? Squeeze the working class for more than they already are? Who do you think pays for the profits of US health insurance companies? Moving to universal health care would be a massive net benefit for Americans. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/25/medicare-for-all-taxes-saez-zucman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, Dominator83 said: Just to add, the people that keep saying we need to have free universal health care, whos gonna pay for it? Nothing in life is free. If our government is footing the bill for 100% of everybody's healthcare needs, how are they going to pay for all that? Squeeze the working class for more than they already are? As I posted earlier, in British Columbia where I leave on $100,000 income take home money is approximately $74,000. And for that I get free health care plus everything else that developed world has. How much is the tax on 100 grand where you live? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taker35h 11 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: As I posted earlier, in British Columbia where I leave on $100,000 income take home money is approximately $74,000. And for that I get free health care plus everything else that developed world has. How much is the tax on 100 grand where you live? In the US,it will depend some on the state you live in. Edited March 16, 2020 by taker35h Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I should really get back to work, but whatever... https://www.paycheckcity.com/calculator/salary/florida/result no idea how accurate this site is. If this is correct , on $100,000 income for married person, head of household take home money is Florida , Texas, Nevada $81,388 (no states tax) California $75,975 Illinois $76,438 Iowa $75,728 For Canada https://simpletax.ca/calculator British Columbia $ 74,246 Ontario $ 72,438 Alberta$ 73,084 People in Ontario pay an extra $8,900 compared to Texas. One of the posters in this thread mentioned that he pays 400 a month for two of them (no idea where they live). And there will be co-pays and other costs if the insurance doesn't cover everything . $ 400 x 12 months = $4,800; this is basically extra tax to pay each year. So if you live in Texas or other 'no state tax' state that is $81,388 - $4,900 = $76,488 (that is an extra $4,050 compared to Ontario) If you live in Iowa that is $75,728 - $4,900 = $70,828 (that is less take home money compared to Canada). Question for US folks: Is that extra $8,900 that you get to keep (assuming you don't have to pay for health insurance, if you do you keep even less) worth it? Will that $8,900 pay for all health related expenses you might need in case of serious illness? "530,000 bankruptcies filed annually are because of debt accrued due to a medical illness." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/14/health-insurance-medical-bankruptcy-debt So Canadians are taxed to death and US citizens get to keep their money... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taker35h 11 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: I should really get back to work, but whatever... https://www.paycheckcity.com/calculator/salary/florida/result no idea how accurate this site is. If this is correct , on $100,000 income for married person, head of household take home money is Florida , Texas, Nevada $81,388 (no states tax) California $75,975 Illinois $76,438 Iowa $75,728 For Canada https://simpletax.ca/calculator British Columbia $ 74,246 Ontario $ 72,438 Alberta$ 73,084 People in Ontario pay an extra $8,900 compared to Texas. One of the posters in this thread mentioned that he pays 400 a month for two of them (no idea where they live). And there will be co-pays and other costs if the insurance doesn't cover everything . $ 400 x 12 months = $4,800; this is basically extra tax to pay each year. So if you live in Texas or other 'no state tax' state that is $81,388 - $4,900 = $76,488 (that is an extra $4,050 compared to Ontario) If you live in Iowa that is $75,728 - $4,900 = $70,828 (that is less take home money compared to Canada). Question for US folks: Is that extra $8,900 that you get to keep (assuming you don't have to pay for health insurance, if you do you keep even less) worth it? Will that $8,900 pay for all health related expenses you might need in case of serious illness? "530,000 bankruptcies filed annually are because of debt accrued due to a medical illness." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/14/health-insurance-medical-bankruptcy-debt So Canadians are taxed to death and US citizens get to keep their money... Does Canada have any other Government programs? Food stamps that kinda stuff? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, taker35h said: Does Canada have any other Government programs? Food stamps that kinda stuff? yep, after all we are 'socialist' country https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei.html you apply for employment insurance in case you lose your job - you can get maximum amount of $573 per week for the period of time you are approved https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-maternity-parental.html paid maternity leave nation wide for up to 69 weeks there is more if you are interested https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits.html there is also income assistance on provincial level https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brosephd 1,330 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 hello darkness Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vnmslsrbms 281 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Gile Pile said: As I posted earlier, in British Columbia where I leave on $100,000 income take home money is approximately $74,000. And for that I get free health care plus everything else that developed world has. How much is the tax on 100 grand where you live? That's not a lot of tax at all. When I was living in CA I paid a similar effective tax rate. Can't remember if that included state taxes too. Anyway, an interesting thing that could happen, since the NBA season is at least going to be delayed 3 months, is that the NBA draft is actually going to take place before the season even kicks off again. That means if they wanted to get cute, they could let the rookies play some games LOL. Yeah I know contractually that'd be a mess, and not fit inside the CBA, but just a interesting scenario. Worst case they can get extra time watching games live and practices as well. Might not be able to participate for insurance purposes even in practices though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taker35h 11 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Gile Pile said: yep, after all we are 'socialist' country https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei.html you apply for employment insurance in case you lose your job - you can get maximum amount of $573 per week for the period of time you are approved https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-maternity-parental.html paid maternity leave nation wide for up to 69 weeks there is more if you are interested https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits.html there is also income assistance on provincial level https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/family-social-supports/income-assistance/on-assistance 39 million vs 330 million? Any thoughts? See two people who don't agree political can still have civil conversation. Plus we both must love basketball to be stuck on the rotoworld forums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcledge 6 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Gile Pile said: I should really get back to work, but whatever... https://www.paycheckcity.com/calculator/salary/florida/result no idea how accurate this site is. If this is correct , on $100,000 income for married person, head of household take home money is Florida , Texas, Nevada $81,388 (no states tax) California $75,975 Illinois $76,438 Iowa $75,728 For Canada https://simpletax.ca/calculator British Columbia $ 74,246 Ontario $ 72,438 Alberta$ 73,084 People in Ontario pay an extra $8,900 compared to Texas. One of the posters in this thread mentioned that he pays 400 a month for two of them (no idea where they live). And there will be co-pays and other costs if the insurance doesn't cover everything . $ 400 x 12 months = $4,800; this is basically extra tax to pay each year. So if you live in Texas or other 'no state tax' state that is $81,388 - $4,900 = $76,488 (that is an extra $4,050 compared to Ontario) If you live in Iowa that is $75,728 - $4,900 = $70,828 (that is less take home money compared to Canada). Question for US folks: Is that extra $8,900 that you get to keep (assuming you don't have to pay for health insurance, if you do you keep even less) worth it? Will that $8,900 pay for all health related expenses you might need in case of serious illness? "530,000 bankruptcies filed annually are because of debt accrued due to a medical illness." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/14/health-insurance-medical-bankruptcy-debt So Canadians are taxed to death and US citizens get to keep their money... People forget that without the U.S. military, which is paid for by the American taxpayer, large swaths of this globe would be speaking Chinese or Russian. The socialist countries of Europe, Canada, and Australia/New Zealand are afforded an incredible luxury of being under the protection of an unparalleled military force, without which they would be mere puppets to the other great superpowers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L3onD 878 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 41 minutes ago, bcledge said: People forget that without the U.S. military, which is paid for by the American taxpayer, large swaths of this globe would be speaking Chinese or Russian. The socialist countries of Europe, Canada, and Australia/New Zealand are afforded an incredible luxury of being under the protection of an unparalleled military force, without which they would be mere puppets to the other great superpowers. hahahahahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore1521 1,461 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 56 minutes ago, bcledge said: People forget that without the U.S. military, which is paid for by the American taxpayer, large swaths of this globe would be speaking Chinese or Russian. The socialist countries of Europe, Canada, and Australia/New Zealand are afforded an incredible luxury of being under the protection of an unparalleled military force, without which they would be mere puppets to the other great superpowers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
taenggg 1,191 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bcledge said: People forget that without the U.S. military, which is paid for by the American taxpayer, large swaths of this globe would be speaking Chinese or Russian. The socialist countries of Europe, Canada, and Australia/New Zealand are afforded an incredible luxury of being under the protection of an unparalleled military force, without which they would be mere puppets to the other great superpowers. Keep America great again 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bcledge 6 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, L3onD said: hahahahahaha I bet Crimea isn't laughing that hard after they were invaded/annexed by Russia. Nor are Southeast Asian nations laughing as hard as you are while they are disputing China's increasingly expansionist claims in the South China Sea by building artificial islands. But by all means, keep deluding yourselves into thinking America's unquestioned military dominance is NOT preventing these two superpowers from making further territorial gains. Edited March 17, 2020 by bcledge 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 1 hour ago, bcledge said: People forget that without the U.S. military, which is paid for by the American taxpayer, large swaths of this globe would be speaking Chinese or Russian. The socialist countries of Europe, Canada, and Australia/New Zealand are afforded an incredible luxury of being under the protection of an unparalleled military force, without which they would be mere puppets to the other great superpowers. Nobody questions US military power. If US has money and knowledge to build world class military that protects every person living in the US, it certainly can do the same and build the health care system that will cover every person living in the US. After all, military is very efficient against coronavirus. Corona virus vs M1 Abrams tank? No contest at all. And all that talk about socialized medicine and stuff, let me quote Stephen Harper (Canadian Prime Minister, 2006 - 2015, elected as leader of Conservative Party): "Former prime minister Stephen Harper once pointed out this large swath of socialized medicine when an American conservative pundit questioned him about the differing health-care attitudes in the U.S. versus Canada. "We [have a tendency to] go on stereotypes here," Harper replied. "In the United States, every senior citizen is under socialized medicine. So, the difference is not as radical as people sometimes think." https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/medicare-for-all-generation-sanders-1.5499715 And when I read stuff like ' Please don't call an ambulance for me — I can't afford it.' I become speechless . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YouSnoozeYouLose 184 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gile Pile said: Nobody questions US military power. If US has money and knowledge to build world class military that protects every person living in the US, it certainly can do the same and build the health care system that will cover every person living in the US. After all, military is very efficient against coronavirus. Corona virus vs M1 Abrams tank? No contest at all. 👏👏 agreed. There's a talk from Bill Gates about 4 years ago where he discusses the amount of money we spend in military and how we don't spend enough to prepare for the next epidemic. Here we are today. This isn't just the US alone though, everyone should have collectively come together to build hospitals and invest in healthcare worldwide especially to support 3rd world countries where illnesses are more likely to surface. For anyone interested, YouTube "Bill Gates outbreak" Edited March 17, 2020 by YouSnoozeYouLose Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trench Mob 1,691 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Where's Dr. HOUSE M.D. when you need him the most. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJdude 45 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 so.....are Gobert and Donovan better yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L3onD 878 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 hours ago, bcledge said: I bet Crimea isn't laughing that hard after they were invaded/annexed by Russia. Nor are Southeast Asian nations laughing as hard as you are while they are disputing China's increasingly expansionist claims in the South China Sea by building artificial islands. But by all means, keep deluding yourselves into thinking America's unquestioned military dominance is NOT preventing these two superpowers from making further territorial gains. yeah okay, you’re the world’s police, everyone already gets that...everyone is already aware of all the “good work” that the US troops have done/are doing all over the world aka invaded multiple countries and started 90% of the wars since the WW2...yeah, keep that pride in your military and your leadership and keep living in that bubble that people outside of the US are grateful for the existence of your country and their “mighty” power Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kmoore1521 1,461 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, L3onD said: yeah okay, you’re the world’s police, everyone already gets that...everyone is already aware of all the “good work” that the US troops have done/are doing all over the world aka invaded multiple countries and started 90% of the wars since the WW2...yeah, keep that pride in your military and your leadership and keep living in that bubble that people outside of the US are grateful for the existence of your country and their “mighty” power I'm not sayin the US is awesome or flawless or right for where they deploy our troops, buuuuuut its the most common country migrants wish to move to, so people outside the bubble seem to want to join at least hah Edited March 17, 2020 by kmoore1521 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L3onD 878 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, kmoore1521 said: I'm not sayin the US is awesome or flawless or right for where they deploy our troops, buuuuuut its the most common country migrants wish to move to, so people outside the bubble seem to want to join at least hah i already explained my view on that, i loved it when i lived in the states, lots of opportunities, the culture that i fit right into, lots of great people that i met and am still in contact with, lots of people that helped me and wanted to help me, i mean its exactly why foreingers tend to want to go there, the language is easy, the country is so large one cannot imagine so theres infinite amount of opportunities for a good payday if youre willing to work, and generally speaking, most of these people that you’re not letting legally into ur country just want to contribute to your economy and live their life, and theyre willing to outwork everyone on their positions and willing to work the shitiest jobs that “americans” as ive noticed do not tend to do...and as ive said, USA has one of the most beautiful landscapes that ive ever seen in my life, i wish to go back there many more times during my lifetime but that doesnt mean that i cannot say **** about the state of the country even if i loved it there, the country that was/is so brainwashed with the arrogant and ignorant american exceptionalism (to which most foreigners throw up a lil in their mouth when they hear about it)...these newer generations of americans that ive met are going to probably be the first ones to grow up with some humility about their country cause theyre the ones that are having a tough time in todays america, theyre apart of insane college debts, loaning services, no affordable housing, expensive health care services etc...americans in general are so far removed of the realities of this world that when they first go out of the country they actually see how they are perceived around the world Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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