oliminator123 3,448 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, MBarbarian said: I hear you, but "must start" to me means must start no matter what. A lot of people (like me) may have two WRs in that 1-12 range and a RB starting in their flex. Obviously it's subjective. I'd say the majority of people don't have a WR in that 1-12 range. Fuller is likely a good WR2 or Flex this week, and if not you must have some very good options. Everyone is expecting a shootout so it makes sense to start any fantasy viable players from this game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leffe186 662 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, MBarbarian said: I hear you, but "must start" to me means must start no matter what. A lot of people (like me) may have two WRs in that 1-12 range and a RB starting in their flex. Yeah, I understand, and it makes sense, but if you have two WRs in that 1-12 range and a RB starting in your FLEX, then wow, that's an amazing bit of drafting. It's worth discussing who you're playing over him. My choice is Moss/Gibson/Ruggs or Fuller. It's specific to Fuller. If you drafted him, it's because you know he can go absolutely ballistic despite injury concerns. When I get to the last FLEX spot, I've hopefully got enough solid points already, and so it's Fuller-time. The matchup is damn near perfect, and he's fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jubanton 345 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, MBarbarian said: To all the "must start" people, no one is starting Fuller over studs like Michael Thomas, Davante, Tyreek, etc., so where do you realistically draw the line? Here are Justin Boone's early Week 1 WR rankings (half pt ppr), made before Cooks injury news: 1 Michael Thomas NO vs TB 2 Davante Adams GB @ MIN 3 Tyreek Hill KC vs HOU 4 Julio Jones ATL vs SEA 5 Allen Robinson CHI @ DET 6 Chris Godwin TB @ NO 7 Kenny Golladay DET vs CHI 8 Mike Evans TB @ NO 9 D.J. Moore CAR vs LV 10 DeAndre Hopkins ARI @ SF 11 JuJu Smith-Schuster PIT @ NYG 12 Adam Thielen MIN vs GB 13 A.J. Brown TEN @ DEN 14 Robert Woods LAR vs DAL 15 Calvin Ridley ATL vs SEA 16 Keenan Allen LAC @ CIN 17 Terry McLaurin WAS vs PHI 18 Amari Cooper DAL @ LAR 19 D.J. Chark JAC vs IND 20 DeSean Jackson PHI @ WAS 21 Stefon Diggs BUF vs NYJ 22 Tyler Lockett SEA @ ATL 23 Will Fuller HOU @ KC 24 Cooper Kupp LAR vs DAL I don't think I'd start Fuller over any of these top 12. I'd maybe put Fuller somewhere in the 13 - 16 range, ahead of guys like Woods and Keenan Allen, but after McLaurin (look what McLaurin did to PHI in both meetings last year). That makes Fuller not even a WR1 this week, so definitely not a "must start." Thoughts? I am playing him over Robert Woods without a thought. Rolling with Fuller and Evans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SharkSwimmer 4,893 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I really wish I had been able to get Fuller. Guy can sting ya from anywhere on the field. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MBarbarian 968 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On another note, you could easily put together an "all week one" WR trio of Fuller, DJax and Sammy Watkins. All healthy for now, all fairly cheap. Check out their week one lines from last year: Watkins: 9 rec, 198 yds, 3 tds, 42.3 half-ppr pts. DJax: 8 rec, 154 yds, 2 tds, 31.4 half-ppr pts. Fuller: 8 rec, 111 yds, 2 tds, 27.1 half-ppr pts.* Total: 100.8 pts *Okay I cheated on Fuller's line. This was Hopkins' 2019 Week 1 line, which Fuller believers could hope he emulates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jubanton 345 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 It depends if you are playing floor vs ceiling... Fuller with no Dhop and now likely no Cooks vs Woods with Kupp and their WR3. Alot of us are expecting track meet on Thursday or Houston to fall way behind and have to throw to stay in the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leffe186 662 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Jubanton said: It depends if you are playing floor vs ceiling... Fuller with no Dhop and now likely no Cooks vs Woods with Kupp and their WR3. Alot of us are expecting track meet on Thursday or Houston to fall way behind and have to throw to stay in the game. Throw in the difference at TE too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlayTheWaivers 1,886 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jubanton said: It depends if you are playing floor vs ceiling... Fuller with no Dhop and now likely no Cooks vs Woods with Kupp and their WR3. Alot of us are expecting track meet on Thursday or Houston to fall way behind and have to throw to stay in the game. I'll tell you another thing- it's not a great thing in Cooks doesn't play tomorrow. Fuller will get a ton of rolled attention to him, but I think the volume will offset that. Hoping the Texans o-line holds up against the chiefs fierce d line to get some deep shots to Fuller. Plus he's playing against old teammate Mathieu- I know, small variables that are probably meaningless, but Fuller doesn't come without risk (as usual with him). However, the risk seems greatly reduced for a week 1 high-scoring matchup.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dontclapGonorrhea 371 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Can anyone on the Chiefs line up with Fuller? No, but the biggest enemy to Will Fuller is his hamstrings. If he is healthy, arguably top 15 ppr finish easily. I am starting him with confidence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RunCMC 2,472 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, PlayTheWaivers said: I'll tell you another thing- it's not a great thing in Cooks doesn't play tomorrow. Fuller will get a ton of rolled attention to him, but I think the volume will offset that. Hoping the Texans o-line holds up against the chiefs fierce d line to get some deep shots to Fuller. Plus he's playing against old teammate Mathieu- I know, small variables that are probably meaningless, but Fuller doesn't come without risk (as usual with him). However, the risk seems greatly reduced for a week 1 high-scoring matchup.. I think he'll get plenty of shallow routes as well, not everything will be deep go routes. If I had to choose between Cooks playing or not, as a Fuller owner I rather he doesn't suit up. I much rather have those extra targets come my way. Chiefs still need to pay attention to Stills lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spina 730 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Remember a couple years back when Fuller made his October return from preseason injury to the score SEVEN Touchdowns in four games? How about when he started his career as the only WR in NFL History with back-to-back 100yd games? This will be my attempt at exploring the explosive, yet heartbreaking career of Will Fuller, his injuries and my love affair that keeps bringing me back for the potential that could be, only to then crush my soul..... 2016: Rookie Year - Drafted as one of my 'Rookie WRs' - back-to-back with Michael Thomas in the late rounds - As mentioned above Fuller opened his NFL career with two 100yd games -- with Brock Osweiler (only WR in NFL History) - Four TDs in the first Four Weeks of his Career (1 Punt Return) - Thought I drafted an Absolute Stud!!! - Week 5: Hamstring Strain (1 reception before exit) - Week 6 Bye - No Missed Games - Week 8: Knee Strain (1 reception before leaving) - Misses Two Games (Week 9/10) - Returning Week 11 -- remainder of the season was subpar with Brock Osweiler - Two Injuries (Hamstring/Knee Strains), Two Missed Games, Two Games Exited - 2017: Enter Deshaun Watson Preseason: Clavicle Fracture - Upon Fuller's return in Week 4 - and playing with Deshaun for the first time - he went on a run (see above) where he scored SEVEN TDs in his first four games (2,2,1,2) - Week 8 Deshaun Watson is lost for the season. Fooked. - Plays the rest of the season with Tom Savage - Week 10: Fractured Rib - misses Week 11, 12, 13 - 10 Games Played - 4 Dominating Games with Watson - 6 Duds with Savage - 6 Missed Games (Fractured Clavicle/Ribs) - 2018: First Year Drafting the Watson/Fuller Stack - Missed Week 1: Hamstring Strain - Returns Week 2 to the tune of 8/113/ with a 39yd TD - Next two weeks, 100yd game and Two 2 TDs - Week 8 : ACL - before leaving game 5/124/TD (73yd TD) - Lost Season - 7 games/4 TDs/3 100yd Games - 2019: - Average to subpar first four weeks and then..... - Week 5: 14/200/3 TDs BOOM!!! - Week 7: Hamstring Strain (1 catch before exit) - Misses Week 8, 9, 10 (Bye), 11 - Returned Week 12: 7/140 - Week 16: Core Muscle Tear - missed Week 17 - Four Missed Games on the Season- 2020: The return of the Watson/Fuller Stack - Healthy all Year!!! - 90/1400/12 We all know the history - dominate when on the field, but always hurt. IF what he says about changing his offseason workouts to focus on the nagging soft tissue injuries, and he's able to stay on the field then I believe with the absence of Hopkins, the numbers above aren't too outlandish. Healthy, Will Fuller Balls out and is a Top 10 WR. (we know he'll get hurt though) 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreams And Dwightmares 3,229 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said: I really wish I had been able to get Fuller. Guy can sting ya from anywhere on the field. I got Fuller and it feels good having him while he's healthy and running at full speed. First game he runs a go route and comes off field limping like 16 of yall gonna pop in here with an "I TOLD YOU SO" and I'll shrink away and vanish. Right now though, he's healthy and I'm talking some serious smack while I can. Edited September 9, 2020 by Dreams And Dwightmares 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gohawks 10,069 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said: I really wish I had been able to get Fuller. Guy can sting ya from anywhere on the field. He sure can really sting you dropping 2/15/0 every other week. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,962 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Along the lines of what @Spina mentions above, Fuller has had some great moments when healthy. I took a look at his production in games started by Watson where he gets more than 3 targets (as well as 3 or less), and the results have been quite impressive overall: --Games with Watson and 4+ targets: --Games with Watson and 3 or less targets: Obviously, the games with 3 or fewer targets still count if Fuller is in your lineup. Being injury-prone (or playing while injured) has led to some of those low-target games. And we don't know how Fuller will perform without the attention Hopkins demanded from a defense. With all that said, Fuller has had some connection with Watson. If you think Fuller is going to get at least 4 targets tomorrow, then he should be in your starting lineup for Week 1 IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RevisAteMyQB 263 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 If you’re in a league with 3 WR, he has to be in someone’s lineup. If you only start 2, I’d say he’s a 90% “must start” if that makes any sense. Stills is no slouch and will keep teams honest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SharkSwimmer 4,893 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I was facing the Watson/Fuller stack last year when Fuller went for 3 long TDs. Still feeling crispy to this day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreams And Dwightmares 3,229 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Corleone said: Along the lines of what @Spina mentions above, Fuller has had some great moments when healthy. I took a look at his production in games started by Watson where he gets more than 3 targets (as well as 3 or less), and the results have been quite impressive overall: --Games with Watson and 4+ targets: --Games with Watson and 3 or less targets: Obviously, the games with 3 or fewer targets still count if Fuller is in your lineup. Being injury-prone (or playing while injured) has led to some of those low-target games. And we don't know how Fuller will perform without the attention Hopkins demanded from a defense. With all that said, Fuller has had some connection with Watson. If you think Fuller is going to get at least 4 targets tomorrow, then he should be in your starting lineup for Week 1 IMO. Fuller is the only guy that has established rapport with Watson right now other than their trash can TEs. A lot of those bad games, he was leaving field for extended time getting something treated too. It's kind of unbearable how much sideline time that guy takes, or just outright leaving the game and not coming back in. Those game logs really have to be taken with a grain of salt. A better way might be to try to line up snap count with his low target games. I bet you'll see a lot of correlation there. He's a pretty much every down WR when healthy so games where his snap count is sub 50% means he either left with injury or was dealing with injury on sideline most of the game. Bottom line, I drafted obviously looking at the top section and hoping for that. We'll see what happens though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corleone 1,962 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said: A lot of those bad games, he was leaving field for extended time getting something treated too. It's kind of unbearable how much sideline time that guy takes, or just outright leaving the game and not coming back in. Those game logs really have to be taken with a grain of salt. That's why I specifically mentioned "Being injury-prone (or playing while injured) has led to some of those low-target games." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisKillin 0 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I have to pick 2 of 3 players, Fuller, Metcalf and Mostert, any thoughts on who to drop? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Trifecta 2,133 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, ChrisKillin said: I have to pick 2 of 3 players, Fuller, Metcalf and Mostert, any thoughts on who to drop? Drop your 6 team league. 4 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cs3 3,471 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Jubanton said: Fuller with no Dhop and now likely no Cooks vs Woods with Kupp and their WR3. So what you're saying is, it should be pretty easy for KC to take Fuller out of the game Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jagsfan05 601 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Brandin Cooks is questionable for tomorrow nights game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hangin n wangin 1,703 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, MBarbarian said: Very, very helpful post, thanks. Your contributions to this forum and its users looking for information is unparalleled. He made a good point though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SadFaceHappy 2,049 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Jubanton said: I am playing him over Robert Woods without a thought. Rolling with Fuller and Evans Evans has an iffy hammy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jubanton 345 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 hours ago, SadFaceHappy said: Evans has an iffy hammy That was before that news broke so may need to revert to Woods. Regardless trust in Fuller tonight! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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