Josh Allen 2020 Outlook

[PisEdiRin 590]

On 11/9/2020 at 7:36 PM, Sternes said:

Stud!  Still not getting much hype by the media.

 

That's a beautiful thing....it keeps him under the radar and allows him to go out there and take a dump on his haters with nothing to lose. Much easier to play without the burden of expectations. The media is actually doing Josh Allen a huge favor (they're too stupid to realize it tho, that's the funny part). The media has completely taken the pressure off of JA. They are being played for the fools they are.

[PisEdiRin 590]

M.V.P.

[Chippa 1,370]

Just now, PisEdiRin said:

M.V.P.

Media’s gonna throw Ben in the picture over Allen

[Chippa 1,370]

2 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said:

M.V.P.

 

Just now, Chippa said:

Media’s gonna throw Ben in the picture over Allen

Well now murray and Ben are above allen

[LionKid90 426]

Allen is good but not sure he really belongs in the conversation for MVP. He is up there for sure, but he’s had some bad games. He had some really bad throws today, Peterson dropped two easy picks today. 
 

His good games are really good, but he played pretty bad against Tennessee and KC. Today he looked okay even though the stats are there. For me personally, I think it is either Mahomes, Wilson or Arod. I know Wilson has had a couple bad weeks, but so has Allen.

Edited November 16, 2020 by LionKid90

[PisEdiRin 590]

14 hours ago, LionKid90 said:

Allen is good but not sure he really belongs in the conversation for MVP. He is up there for sure, but he’s had some bad games. He had some really bad throws today, Peterson dropped two easy picks today. 
 

His good games are really good, but he played pretty bad against Tennessee and KC. Today he looked okay even though the stats are there. For me personally, I think it is either Mahomes, Wilson or Arod. I know Wilson has had a couple bad weeks, but so has Allen.

 

Um, no. You're completely wrong.

Josh Allen proved yesterday that he is the rightful MVP of the NFL and deserves to win the award.

Josh Allen's Run Game support: 
11 carries, 35 yards

Kyler Murray's Run Game support: 24 carries, 156 yards

 

Nobody does more with less in the NFL than Josh Allen. Talk about carrying your football team on your back - Allen does this on a weekly basis with ZERO RUNNING GAME.

No 1 football player is more valuable to his team than Josh Allen is to his team. This is blatantly evident.

Edited November 16, 2020 by PisEdiRin

[LionKid90 426]

9 hours ago, PisEdiRin said:

 

Um, no. You're completely wrong.

Josh Allen proved yesterday that he is the rightful MVP of the NFL and deserves to win the award.

Josh Allen's Run Game support: 
11 carries, 35 yards

Kyler Murray's Run Game support: 24 carries, 156 yards

 

Nobody does more with less in the NFL than Josh Allen. Talk about carrying your football team on your back - Allen does this on a weekly basis with ZERO RUNNING GAME.

No 1 football player is more valuable to his team than Josh Allen is to his team. This is blatantly evident.

He belongs in the conversation, but don’t think he is the MVP. Bills are 7-3, replace Allen with your average QB (Carr, Cousins, etc), and they are probably 5-5 at worst. Just look at their schedule, he’s beaten up on the AFC East. 
 

A lot of the really good QB’s carry their team. I personally think ARod, Wilson and Mahomes are more important to their team than Allen. As bad as Wilson has been, take him off that team and Seattle is probably a 7 win team at most.

[Sternes 5,010]

6 minutes ago, LionKid90 said:

He belongs in the conversation, but don’t think he is the MVP. Bills are 7-3, replace Allen with your average QB (Carr, Cousins, etc), and they are probably 5-5 at worst. Just look at their schedule, he’s beaten up on the AFC East. 
 

A lot of the really good QB’s carry their team. I personally think ARod, Wilson and Mahomes are more important to their team than Allen. As bad as Wilson has been, take him off that team and Seattle is probably a 7 win team at most.

 

 

Carr?  Cousins?  Are you kidding me?  Handoff specialists would have the Bills at 7-3, and a miracle play from being 8-2?  Not even close to accurate.

He has beaten up on the AFC East? The conference is pretty identical to numerous conferences, two good teams, a meh team, and a bad team.  The Dolphins are 6-3 if you weren't aware, and the Patriots just defeated the 6-2, now 6-3 Ravens.  I don't think it is the strongest conference.  You come at it like the Bills were teleported to the NFC East. That is a bad conference.

If you don't think Allen has been carrying the team some games, you have not been watching.  If you don't think he is the MVP, that is understandable, but he should be in consideration.  If you think the Bills, a team with 0 run game, a team where Allen has been the leading rusher 4 out of 10 games this season, and where he has bought time in the pocket, scrambling, or just battling dudes who have their arms around his legs, are a .500 team without him, you haven't been watching.

Seriously, Carr or Cousins?

 

 

 

[Chippa 1,370]

Just now, Sternes said:

 

 

 

Carr?  Cousins?  Are you kidding me?  Handoff specialists would have the Bills at 7-3, and a miracle play from being 8-2?  Not even close to accurate.

 

If you don't think Allen has been carrying the team some games, you have not been watching.  If you don't think he is the MVP, that is understandable, but he should be in consideration.  If you think the Bills, a team with 0 run game, a team where Allen has been the leading rusher 4 out of 10 games this season, and where he has bought time in the pocket, scrambling, or just battling dudes who have their arms around his legs, are a .500 team without him, you haven't been watching.

Seriously, Carr or Cousins?

 

 

 

 

I agree. Bills have no run game to speak of. Couldnt imagine Carr or Cousins having success with that team.

Goff either for that matter

[Lamont Sanford 1,814]

Any concern about a potential letdown with John Brown being out? When Brown was out earlier in the season it seemed to have a big impact on Allen and Bills O in general.

[owenmills 5,328]

4 minutes ago, Lamont Sanford said:

Any concern about a potential letdown with John Brown being out? When Brown was out earlier in the season it seemed to have a big impact on Allen and Bills O in general.

The excuse for his poor games earlier in the year was Brown being out, so I think we're screwed(TIC)

I never bought that excuse and think he's just generally inconsistent so I actually think Allen will be ok ROS, but he'll have his periodic off games

[Sternes 5,010]

Allen had two bad weather games NE and KC.  Titans was a bad game for him IMO.  Jets was fine, he had at least one TD called back if not two.  I'm not sure why everyone thinks the offense runs through John Brown.  He is a solid contributor.  There is still Diggs, Beasley, and Gabriel Davis there. 

[Lamont Sanford 1,814]

11 minutes ago, Sternes said:

Allen had two bad weather games NE and KC.  Titans was a bad game for him IMO.  Jets was fine, he had at least one TD called back if not two.  I'm not sure why everyone thinks the offense runs through John Brown.  He is a solid contributor.  There is still Diggs, Beasley, and Gabriel Davis there. 

I don’t think anyone thinks “the offense runs through Brown”. I certainly didn’t say or imply that. Discussing the impact of losing a WR of Brown’s caliber seems reasonable, particularly when some of us have high quality QB options.

[Sternes 5,010]

1 minute ago, Lamont Sanford said:

I don’t think anyone thinks “the offense runs through Brown”. I certainly didn’t say or imply that. Discussing the impact of losing a WR of Brown’s caliber seems reasonable, particularly when some of us have high quality QB options.

 

Brown was the #3 in the offense this season.  The #4 Davis, has numbers not far behind him.  Pecking order has been Diggs, Beasley, then Brown.  Brown and Beasley 2A and 2B if you will.  With Brown banged up, Beasley picked up the slack which is why I have him as the #3 in the offense.  I expect Davis to pick up the slack and maybe Knox gets something going.

If you have better options than Allen, fire them up. 

[daethfromabove1979 874]

40 minutes ago, Lamont Sanford said:

Any concern about a potential letdown with John Brown being out? When Brown was out earlier in the season it seemed to have a big impact on Allen and Bills O in general.

Lee Smith is also starting and he’s primarily a blocking tight end, could signal they are going run heavy today. I’m tempering expectations.

[CookiesOmNom 47]

Anyone worried about our boy Allen away to SF this week? Their defense has improved recently and Goff has a rough stat line last week. I'm staring at some waiver wire heros with beauty matchups this week and am tempted to sit Allen. Must win to qualify for playoffs, can't afford a single digit game. Or does his rushing baseline make him an autostart and blasphemy for thinking otherwise?

[BrianM 1,340]

Something else to note is better defensive play over the past few weeks.  Hail Mary's aside,the D has forced a lot more turnovers and had some better games.  Allen didn't have to do much vs LA, who's been posting up 30 on most defenses.    I can't imagine anyone benching him at this point, but part of his heroism this year was due to a defense that couldn't cool the tempo much.   Now they'll likely get Milano back.  

[dsrich 990]

Lol you don’t bench him. Unless you have... another top 5 option?

 

[ak427 628]

Set and forget

[PisEdiRin 590]

In his NFL career thus far:

- Has never thrown a Pick 6

- Has never thrown an INT inside the Red Zone

 

He's the #1 Red Zone QB in Football (this is what wins games), and doesn't get enough credit for his decision making when it counts.

 

Edited December 6, 2020 by PisEdiRin

[nine9s 84]

I was looking over how QBs do against San Francisco.  San Francisco has not really played many good QBs the whole year and the few who did, did well against San Francisco. 

San Francisco D padded numbers against Darnold, Jones, Newton, hurt Brees who had 76 yards a TD and no interception before leaving, Goff  once - Goff did average in first meeting. Murray, Wilson, and Rodgers all had good games against San Francisco almost scoring 30 points each in standard scoring.  Wentz had a good game against them also scoring 22 points in standard scoring against them.   Wilson was in week 8 and Rodgers in week 9.  Brees got hurt week 10 then bye week 11 followed by Goff playing poorly week 12 - how much of that was Goff versus the defense.  So even of late, San Francisco has done nothing of note against QBs.

Edited December 6, 2020 by nine9s

[owenmills 5,328]

I don't really care about non-fantasy metrics like team W-L or efficiency, since this is a fantasy forum. All I care about are the fantasy points he puts up. He's definitely cooled off since the really hot start. From weeks 5-present in my league(rounded) : 

18, 16, 16, 13, 34, 29, 14

There's a couple blow-up games in there but he's been under 20 points per week quite often. Not killing you, but not a top 3-5 elite QB. I hope he cranks out at least a couple of those ceiling games during the fantasy playoffs, I'm going to need him. 

[PisEdiRin 590]

On 12/6/2020 at 11:24 AM, owenmills said:

I don't really care about non-fantasy metrics like team W-L or efficiency, since this is a fantasy forum. All I care about are the fantasy points he puts up. He's definitely cooled off since the really hot start. From weeks 5-present in my league(rounded) : 

18, 16, 16, 13, 34, 29, 14

There's a couple blow-up games in there but he's been under 20 points per week quite often. Not killing you, but not a top 3-5 elite QB. I hope he cranks out at least a couple of those ceiling games during the fantasy playoffs, I'm going to need him. 

Boom

[owenmills 5,328]

Just now, PisEdiRin said:

Boom

He looks great, unfortunately this week meaningless for me. Need it next week and preferably weeks 14-16

[peleincubus 110]

1 hour ago, owenmills said:

He looks great, unfortunately this week meaningless for me. Need it next week and preferably weeks 14-16

I may be ignorant but I'm going to have a difficult time deciding on Allen or Goff week 16. Perhaps Allen finally truly ascends and proceeds to blow up and knock the Patriots out of the playoffs.