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6 minutes ago, ajs723 said:

He's not. They will find out, one way or another.

Yeah, not like the NFL hasn't been drilling concussion awareness into players for a while now, and it's not like you can run a definitive test for it.  Watson will either develop a "soft tissue" issue or "concussion" and never play for the Texans again while still drawing a paycheck on IR if they try to play hardball with him.

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7 minutes ago, jumper said:

Yeah, not like the NFL hasn't been drilling concussion awareness into players for a while now, and it's not like you can run a definitive test for it.  Watson will either develop a "soft tissue" issue or "concussion" and never play for the Texans again while still drawing a paycheck on IR if they try to play hardball with him.

Yeah, this, or something like this would be the outcome. Watson is gonna be gone, just a matter of how long the organization takes to understand it. 

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3 hours ago, jumper said:

Watson will either develop a "soft tissue" issue or "concussion" and never play for the Texans again while still drawing a paycheck on IR if they try to play hardball with him.

Or he will simply sit a year out, like Lev Bell. No need to commit fraud.

Besides, concussions are tested independently, so that's not easy to get that, and regarding soft tissues, I understand a couple viagra usually do the trick. These are not things that would keep you on the sidelines for 17 weeks.

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With the new CBA, sitting out a year gets a player many fines but gets one no closer to free agency.  

Watson won't get paid unless he reports and plays.  The only thing sitting out WILL accomplish is that doing so will show the Texans that Watson is serious about not playing for them, even one more snap.

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He needs to at least meet with all the principles (McNair, Cully and Caserio). I heard over the weekend he has yet to meet with any of these people. Having never met personally with Watson they all have plausible deniability of what he even wants. They are going to want to hear it from him directly.

I was surprised he had not met with these guys - if for nothing else than to make it crystal clear he's ready to play hardball. He at least owes Cully the courtesy - he has nothing to do with this situation. 

I find it hard to believe Cully is as ignorant as he made himself sound last week with his "I took this job because of Watson" comment - but reading between the lines I think these guys expect to hear from Watson in person before they lift a finger to meet any "demands" he has.

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19 hours ago, SuperJoint said:

He needs to at least meet with all the principles (McNair, Cully and Caserio). I heard over the weekend he has yet to meet with any of these people. Having never met personally with Watson they all have plausible deniability of what he even wants. They are going to want to hear it from him directly.

I was surprised he had not met with these guys - if for nothing else than to make it crystal clear he's ready to play hardball. He at least owes Cully the courtesy - he has nothing to do with this situation. 

I find it hard to believe Cully is as ignorant as he made himself sound last week with his "I took this job because of Watson" comment - but reading between the lines I think these guys expect to hear from Watson in person before they lift a finger to meet any "demands" he has.

Cully was toeing the company line during his press conference, like the Yes Man he is and was hired to be.

Watson has publicly requested a trade.  If the Texans are saying "well he needs to tell us in person," they are just being idiots.  Doing so is not going to help anything.

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19 hours ago, SuperJoint said:

He at least owes Cully the courtesy - he has nothing to do with this situation. 

Why does Deshaun Watson owe David Culley anything if he doesn't intend to continue being part of the Houston organization?

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2 hours ago, ThreadKiller said:

Why does Deshaun Watson owe David Culley anything if he doesn't intend to continue being part of the Houston organization?

Watson owes David Culley nothing whatsoever.

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5 hours ago, ThreadKiller said:

Why does Deshaun Watson owe David Culley anything if he doesn't intend to continue being part of the Houston organization?

 

2 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Watson owes David Culley nothing whatsoever.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned I guess. "Men" ordinarily discuss matters of importance face to face, where I'm coming from. Watson, if he made it undeniably clear to all of these guys in at least a zoom meeting or whatever - could grease his own skids. Owners/GMs/65-YO coaches are kind of like that.

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3 hours ago, SuperJoint said:

 

Maybe I'm old-fashioned I guess. "Men" ordinarily discuss matters of importance face to face, where I'm coming from. Watson, if he made it undeniably clear to all of these guys in at least a zoom meeting or whatever - could grease his own skids. Owners/GMs/65-YO coaches are kind of like that.

I hear you, and I prefer to do business that way, face to face, myself.  Especially when it comes to delivering bad news.

In this case, however, it is a transparent attempt on the part of the Texans "brass" to use their personal charisma and magneticism to get Watson to change his mind.

And he apparently wants nothing to do with that.  I am thinking this ship has already sailed.

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3 hours ago, SuperJoint said:

 

Maybe I'm old-fashioned I guess. "Men" ordinarily discuss matters of importance face to face, where I'm coming from. Watson, if he made it undeniably clear to all of these guys in at least a zoom meeting or whatever - could grease his own skids. Owners/GMs/65-YO coaches are kind of like that.

Sometimes, depending on how deep the wound is, "Men" know it's best to not meet face to face, or someone is going to get hurt, feelings or otherwise. 

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8 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I hear you, and I prefer to do business that way, face to face, myself.  Especially when it comes to delivering bad news.

In this case, however, it is a transparent attempt on the part of the Texans "brass" to use their personal charisma and magneticism to get Watson to change his mind.

And he apparently wants nothing to do with that.  I am thinking this ship has already sailed.


watson could use his personal charisma and magnetism to counteract Easterby, Culley, and Caserio’a charisma and magnetism and talk himself into getting traded where he wants.

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8 hours ago, theSPANKER said:

Sometimes, depending on how deep the wound is, "Men" know it's best to not meet face to face, or someone is going to get hurt, feelings or otherwise. 

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watson would potentially beat up Culley, Easterby, or Caserio?

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1 hour ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

watson could use his personal charisma and magnetism to counteract Easterby, Culley, and Caserio’a charisma and magnetism and talk himself into getting traded where he wants.

The joke is, of course, that the Texans front office people do not have any charisma unless they are speaking to someone on their own payroll.

And since Watson no longer wants to cash their checks, their ability to persuade has reached its outer limit.

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8 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

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watson would potentially beat up Culley, Easterby, or Caserio?

Doubtful but he might tell them where to go with their proposed "talks" and shut it down at the opening of any dialogue to get his message through to them. 

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Watson is a class act and seems like a really grounded person.  He is from a very modest background, financially.  So he has already made it, financially, even if he never plays another down and has to pay back some bonus money.

The stereotype of an African American athlete who physically assaults those who are doing something disagreeable is as tired as it is offensive.  Yes there are bad apples in the NFL, but they come from every ethnic heritage.  And 99% of players are total pros and never have problems on or off the field.

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3 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Watson is a class act and seems like a really grounded person.  He is from a very modest background, financially.  So he has already made it, financially, even if he never plays another down and has to pay back some bonus money.

The stereotype of an African American athlete who physically assaults those who are doing something disagreeable is as tired as it is offensive.  Yes there are bad apples in the NFL, but they come from every ethnic heritage.  And 99% of players are total pros and never have problems on or off the field.

 

Just to be clear, I wasn't insinuating Watson resort to physical violence.  Sorry if my post came off that way. I simply meant he's clearly not interested in any face-to-face talks and pushing the issue at this point may result in his disappointment and frustration coming out in a....ahem...unprofessional way due to his negative feelings right now with the organization.  

 

Give the dude his space right now and hope for the best if you really want to make amends. 

  

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