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seager better get going if he wants to even have a better career than his brother

none of these were locks but more of people i thought would have good mlb careers

weeks brothers

matt dominguez had to think chatsworth teammates with moose would have a productive career

christian colon-royals sure know how to pick them hochever, colon, starling

danny hultzen, zinuno

trevor crow (dude was a monster on ncca baseball for xbox) ha

 

not really a bust - not sure if i am remembering correctly but was jd drew suppose to be a phemon?

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A few years ago I drafted Maikel Franco in a keeper for $28.     

I'm still waiting on Dom Brown, Travis Snyder and Dustin Ackley...

I remember when Jose Quintana was a solid and consistent high end #3 fantasy starter. What in the flying circus monkey sht has happened to him? He can’t even stay healthy while washing dishes!!

40 minutes ago, colepenhagen said:

seager better get going if he wants to even have a better career than his brother

none of these were locks but more of people i thought would have good mlb careers

weeks brothers

matt dominguez had to think chatsworth teammates with moose would have a productive career

christian colon-royals sure know how to pick them hochever, colon, starling

danny hultzen, zinuno

trevor crow (dude was a monster on ncca baseball for xbox) ha

 

not really a bust - not sure if i am remembering correctly but was jd drew suppose to be a phemon?

The Drew brothers might be the new Seager brothers.  Both Stephen and JD was massive hyped talents.  Both solid major leaguers.  Kyle wasn’t hyped.  Corey was though.  Corey will probably always be a better real life player than fantasy though.  He’s good enough to stick at SS which scouts overrate, but he doesn’t steal bags for us in fantasy, doesn’t have outrageously high power/counting stat ceiling.  He’ll never be a huge ROI guy in fantasy because of lack of statistical contributions in some areas.

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14 hours ago, TribeFoo said:

Add Brian Matusz to the Orioles pitching graveyard.

Gordon Beckham

Ian Stewart

Jonathan Singleton

Lastings Milledge

Delmon Young

 

I was thinking, "That's not fair, Delmon Young had a few good years.". Looked it up; he really had 1 good season.

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11 hours ago, Cmilne23 said:

The Drew brothers might be the new Seager brothers.  Both Stephen and JD was massive hyped talents.  Both solid major leaguers.  Kyle wasn’t hyped.  Corey was though.  Corey will probably always be a better real life player than fantasy though.  He’s good enough to stick at SS which scouts overrate, but he doesn’t steal bags for us in fantasy, doesn’t have outrageously high power/counting stat ceiling.  He’ll never be a huge ROI guy in fantasy because of lack of statistical contributions in some areas.

 

Kyle Seager is also another guy who is a pretty good player in real life, but fairly underwhelming in fantasy.

His value comes in that he plays nearly everyday (aside from last year), is anywhere from an above average to a pretty good hitter, and is good defensively.

But, like Corey, doesn't hit for much power and doesn't steal bases.

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3 hours ago, Homerj24 said:

Jose Ortiz and Elijah Dukes were a couple of guys that I was high on. 

Elijah Dukes is infamous in most long-running dynasty leagues, I'd imagine. His name still gets brought up every once in a while in ours.

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5 hours ago, My Dinner With Andre said:

These guys had OK and in other cases good careers. But they never really performed at the elite level I expected...

 

Dice-K

Scott Kazmir

Howie Kendrick

Alex Gordon


these names aren’t in the same stratosphere as some of the others listed earlier.

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23 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:

Unacceptable. Will not allow it. Calling a guy a “swing and miss” after his age 20 season in which he didn’t live up to unrealistic expectations, yet hit .293/.801 OPS in the 2nd half of the season?

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He was a .3 WAR last year, which pretty well reflects his fantasy contribution.  

Projections this year have him making significant improvements to about .290 with 22-5 HRs and no speed.  He projects as the #10 3b  in 12 team 5x5, which would make him a loss at current adp. 

So IF he takes a step forward as projections suggest he's already damaged his owners for 2 years.  And where does he go from there?  

Like I said, it's softly penciled in but I don't like where it's headed.  

My take away from this, fwiw, is not to be too keen on guys who don't run at all (or who are totally hopeless in any one category).  Yeah, maybe he turns the corner and is Arenado, but I think I prefer having a broader path to fantasy success.  It's so hard to predict this stuff, I think you want as many ways as possible for things to go right.  That's why I took Jarred Kelenic rather than Julio Rodriguez this year.  

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1 hour ago, GamblorLA said:

 

He was a .3 WAR last year, which pretty well reflects his fantasy contribution.  

Projections this year have him making significant improvements to about .290 with 22-5 HRs and no speed.  He projects as the #10 3b  in 12 team 5x5, which would make him a loss at current adp. 

So IF he takes a step forward as projections suggest he's already damaged his owners for 2 years.  And where does he go from there?  

Like I said, it's softly penciled in but I don't like where it's headed.  

My take away from this, fwiw, is not to be too keen on guys who don't run at all (or who are totally hopeless in any one category).  Yeah, maybe he turns the corner and is Arenado, but I think I prefer having a broader path to fantasy success.  It's so hard to predict this stuff, I think you want as many ways as possible for things to go right.  That's why I took Jarred Kelenic rather than Julio Rodriguez this year.  

So I’m not too worried about the WAR for ~120 games of his age 20 season.

But fair on the fantasy aspects. I just had a problem because this started really as fantasy AND real life baseball busts. I mean, someone then mentioned Corey Seager, who is 25 and has had TWO 6+ WAR seasons. But I get that he hasn’t been as fantasy relevant I guess.

But I still think Vladdy Jr is going to be much like Miggy, and have some .320+/40 HR seasons. But way too premature. I don’t think anyone under 25 should be listed in this thread. My $0.02.

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A.J. Reed decided to retire earlier this month.
It didn't get much attention, but WTHI-TV in Terre Haute, Indiana was first with the story earlier this month. Reed was once a highly-touted slugger in the Astros organization, highlighted by a monster season between High-A and Double-A in 2015, but he was unable to get that success to translate to the majors. The 26-year-old batted just .149/.241/.234 with four homers over 199 plate appearances, including a brief stint with the White Sox after he was claimed off waivers from the Astros last year. Per the WTHI-TV report, he's looking forward to spending more time with his family.

This dude was very sought-after for a period of time. Amazing he's retired at 26.

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On 3/30/2020 at 2:29 PM, My Dinner With Andre said:

These guys had OK and in other cases good careers. But they never really performed at the elite level I expected...

 

Dice-K

Scott Kazmir

Howie Kendrick

Alex Gordon


I wouldn’t put Kaz in the same category as those other guys. He had some truly dominant years and some very useful fantasy years. And his big problem has been injury not ability.

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On 3/29/2020 at 5:44 PM, GamblorLA said:

I'm going to softly pencil in Vlad Jr. here.  

Please use a eraser

On 3/29/2020 at 5:44 PM, GamblorLA said:

However, his poor performance last year is worrying to me because most guys who are going to be superstars start off well nowadays.

Go look at Trout.

On 3/29/2020 at 5:44 PM, GamblorLA said:

 

 The arguments I hear for him are a lot of stuff like, he did really well in the HR derby.  Sounds like the classic things people cling to with busts. Some sort of raw physical ability that never shows up in games.  

His minor league OPS in games, is close to unmatched.

ROOKIE YEAR OPS+

Vlad 106 age 20

That's 6% over league average as a rookie, and a baby at 20.

Willie May's 120 age 20 rookie

102 age 21 2nd year

Hank Aaron 104 age 20 rookie

Ken Griffey JR 108 age 19 rookie

You cant expect huge years from 20 year olds, as rookies.

 

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I remember when Jose Quintana was a solid and consistent high end #3 fantasy starter. What in the flying circus monkey sht has happened to him? He can’t even stay healthy while washing dishes!!

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17 minutes ago, Cdub2k said:

I remember when Jose Quintana was a solid and consistent high end #3 fantasy starter. What in the flying circus monkey sht has happened to him? He can’t even stay healthy while washing dishes!!

Maybe that new changeup grip will solve all his problems?  :)

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3 hours ago, Cdub2k said:

I remember when Jose Quintana was a solid and consistent high end #3 fantasy starter. What in the flying circus monkey sht has happened to him? He can’t even stay healthy while washing dishes!!

Yeah when I read he went on the IL after washing his dishes I thought this tops the Texas pitcher that missed most of a season tripping over his dog.  Life at home is certainly a major danger zone, hah.  The details ...

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Jose Quintana required surgery on his left thumb after getting hurt washing his dishes at home, and he won't resume his throwing program for another two weeks.

He needed a nerve repaired in his thumb, and he required five stitches afterwards. One imagines this will put Quintana at least three or four weeks behind at the beginning of the season. This should ensure that Tyler Chatwood opens up in the Cubs' rotation, with Alec Mills becoming the favorite to move into the fifth spot.

Jul 2, 2020, 11:50 AM ET

Chatwood and Mills would like to thank dirty dishes everywhere.

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