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4 minutes ago, sjm76 said:

What's so "silly" about that?  Moss will likely be relevant even if Singletary stays healthy especially if Singletary continues to fumble.  It will likely be something along the lines of a 60/40 split.

Not to mention he will be getting those money goal line carries. 

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I heard the Bills are re-designing their playbook exclusively for Lamar Miller?

Waiver wire ?!  In what world is Moss on the waivers. No chance unless you play in a 6 team league. 

When you leave and they don't sign you, it means you didn't get signed. They don't wait around.

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5 minutes ago, sjm76 said:

What's so "silly" about that?  Moss will likely be relevant even if Singletary stays healthy especially if Singletary continues to fumble.  It will likely be something along the lines of a 60/40 split.

 

There's nothing silly. That guy probably doesn't pay attention to training camp reports. I personally have Moss higher in my rankings. He's their goal line back, and he's a good pass catcher as well. 

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10 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

I drafted moss over Singletary in a standard league.

 

Ppr I think Singletary is the better play but Singletary was hurt a bit last year. If that happens this year moss could end up being a heck of a value.


im confused to why people are suggesting Singletary is going to be better PPR?

 

Moss was a better receiver out the back field than Singletary in College and better in the pass-pro.

 

It’ll most likely be a hot hand approach with Moss having an uptick in PPR.

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9 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

I drafted moss over Singletary in a standard league.

 

Ppr I think Singletary is the better play but Singletary was hurt a bit last year. If that happens this year moss could end up being a heck of a value.


Singletary is 5’7 and has been type-cast by his team as a runner who they don’t have trust in around the goal line and a back they’d rather not give the lionshare of the carries to. Situation is just as important as talent for fantasy RBs but talent-wise there a Devin Singletary-esque runningback in every draft if your team is willing to spend a 3rd rounder on them. while it’s hard to argue that moss is not in that tier himself (3rd round RB), I don’t see the bills spiting themselves to respect last year‘s starter.

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3 minutes ago, Nguvocity said:


im confused to why people are suggesting Singletary is going to be better PPR?

 

Moss was a better receiver out the back field than Singletary in College and better in the pass-pro.

 

It’ll most likely be a hot hand approach with Moss having an uptick in PPR.

 

Because those of us who watch the football games know that Singletary is not bereft of talent and will not be erased from the offense. He is a good receiver and will be used as such, he won't be phased out completely in favor of a rookie.

 

Moss can catch I'm sure but he has never played an NFL snap, Singletary has, that's why people correctly point out that Singletary is the preferred ppr option at this point in time.

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As with most preseason discussions/debates, the answer is we don't really know and all of us are making our own conclusions from camp reports and from what we've read.

Fact: It has been reported that they're not happy with Singletary's fumbling issues.

Which has opened the door for Moss should it continue.  he's a rookie that appears talented.

But in the end, the Singletary truthers will defend their guy.  Those who drafted Moss are hoping for more upside and will try to will it to happen.  Let's see what happens once the games are played on Sunday...

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10 minutes ago, Nguvocity said:


im confused to why people are suggesting Singletary is going to be better PPR?

 

Moss was a better receiver out the back field than Singletary in College and better in the pass-pro.

 

It’ll most likely be a hot hand approach with Moss having an uptick in PPR.

Because the offense schemes to get Singletary the ball in space out of the backfield, and was very effective doing that. The assumption is this will continue.

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8 minutes ago, Nguvocity said:


im confused to why people are suggesting Singletary is going to be better PPR?

 

Moss was a better receiver out the back field than Singletary in College and better in the pass-pro.

 

It’ll most likely be a hot hand approach with Moss having an uptick in PPR.


I think people assume that Singleterry is an above average pass– catcher because of his physical limitations however he appears as just another running back with NFL level burst and vision. Reaching for Moss is betting he’s a better prospect. Drafting him at or after ADP is simply filling out your RB depth responsibly with A guy you would hope can fill-in on bye weeks and provide flex appeal in the right matchup. The opportunity cost doesn’t warrant the scrutiny that Singletary truthers have for Moss.

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The Singletary truthers are the same ones who missed out on Moss. That being said ... Devin is still a good running back in his own right. But if your'e looking for upside Zach is your guy, no question about it. 

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1 hour ago, RunCMC said:

The Singletary truthers are the same ones who missed out on Moss. That being said ... Devin is still a good running back in his own right. But if your'e looking for upside Zach is your guy, no question about it. 

That's the key.  Singletary has no upside.  His ceiling is basically what he gave you last year.  His role is not changing.  But there is real risk of his role diminishing (not disappearing) if Moss proves to be better than Frank Gore was. 

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3 minutes ago, Travis C. said:

Sooooo.... Moss is Jeremy Hill as singletary is gio Bernard? 
 

 

Comparisons are typically not perfect but this one is a little inaccurate IMO.
 

Where you’re correct:
 

-Bernard/ Singletary both had well defined roles that capped their ceilings.

-Hill/ Moss = (Expected) Goal Line Backs

 +Both guys were added a year after their running mate using the same round’s draft capital. (Bengals RBs both went 2nd. Bills RBs both went in the 3rd.)
 

Where you’re not quite as accurate:

-Bernard was a pass catching back above all else, whereas Singletary didn’t enter the league excelling in a specific skill

-Singletary stands to take more carries from Moss as opposed to some carries and mainly targets in the bengals situation. 
-Hill was a below average receiver at RB. Moss could potentially be a better receiver than Singletary. 

The more I described it the more I liked the comparison but as you can see there are a couple hang ups.

 

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26 minutes ago, FreakFries said:

Was really liking Moss all summer and now he’s going in the end of the 5th/early 6th in non ppr.

 

Thats really pushing it. 


there’s very little for profit at this point with Moss, his ADP just makes no sense especially with Singletary in the mix. It’s all hype at this point, they are playing touch football in practice so of course he’s going to look good. But whatever, draft him in the 5th and 6th rounds because of practice hype. I wouldn’t draft Singletary either, Josh Allen will be vulturing TDs.

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I was able to get Moss for relatively cheap in an auction draft.  He's obviously a bench long term depth/prospect play but if you don't want to wait on Moss or don't believe in him too much I'd recommend shipping him out to the Singletary owner after a big week.  If we say even half the Josh Allen rushing TDs go to Moss next year that's a nice touchdown floor to start with and if he gets somewhere near a 50-50 split you're looking at a serviceable rb3/flex with rb2 upside.  

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22 minutes ago, gbill2004 said:

Lamar Miller is visiting the Bills today. Will this hurt Moss's value this season?

 

the only effect i see this visit having on Moss is he may have a longer walk to the facility if Miller takes his parking spot today. 

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18 hours ago, FreakFries said:

Was really liking Moss all summer and now he’s going in the end of the 5th/early 6th in non ppr.

 

Thats really pushing it. 

Yeah I like him but I wouldn't have pulled the trigger that early. 

I got him towards the end of the 9th round (pick 88), so I'm stoked. 

I also liked some guys like Dobbins and Robinson, but both of them went early so couldn't grab them. Draft is all about finding value and end of the 5th is too steep for Moss IMO. But here's to him crushing it and looking like a 5th rounder anyways!

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2 hours ago, gbill2004 said:

Lamar Miller is visiting the Bills today. Will this hurt Moss's value this season?

I think that if he signs, the 2 main backs will still be Singletary and Moss.  Miller will just be a backup.

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