canilogon 50 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 And he is a millionaire. The F out of here 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K197040 2,412 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said: Exactly. Us Giants fans who watch Saquon every game can clearly see that he is extremely overrated. The ones who disagree are not Giants fans who watch him every game. They just read his box score at the end of the game. Hindsight is always 20/20 I guess. But with as crappy as the Giants were, it didn't make a lot of sense to take Barkley in the 1st. There isn't any RB in the world that can overcome that crappiness. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Funkenstein 979 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Drewfus said: He got hit and swarmed immediately after nearly every handoff. You expect him to break multiple tackles without any momentum or speed? I think you Giants fans have unrealistic expectations of him. I'm not a giants fan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canilogon 50 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 He can hobble around the house and continue to check his bank statement. That's not fantasy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oliminator123 3,448 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, K197040 said: Hindsight is always 20/20 I guess. But with as crappy as the Giants were, it didn't make a lot of sense to take Barkley in the 1st. There isn't any RB in the world that can overcome that crappiness. Why am I not surprised to see PisEdiRin in here claiming Barkley is overrated, just after he suffers a season ending injury and can't be proven wrong. Please just block him, people. He's a moron. 3 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CABLE87 1,749 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, K197040 said: Hindsight is always 20/20 I guess. But with as crappy as the Giants were, it didn't make a lot of sense to take Barkley in the 1st. There isn't any RB in the world that can overcome that crappiness. Mistake after mistake after mistake has put them in this situation with sub par talent all around that team, so many holes all around, Dont know where it started but paying Odell all that money most definitely set them back, and getting bark early will def set them back as well This situation reminds me of the saints wasting all there draft picks on ricky Williams, that team had no one outside of williams Clearly not the same thing but he has no talent around to take the pressure off Edited September 21, 2020 by CABLE87 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Illusion_J 152 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) One thing these guys are right about, is Saquon is not a great drive sustaining RB or whatever you'd want to call. He does try and line up the big run at the risk of no gain rather than taking the 4 yard gain (I bet if someone took the variance his runs and compared it to other RBs in the league, his would be near the top). That's always been a drawback of his. But no question he's an elite talent. Once he gets some support and is able to pick his spots better, he will have the numbers to match his talent. It would be a shame if he became a "what if". Edited September 21, 2020 by Illusion_J 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phegotgame14 428 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, vercrazy said: Listing the rushing lines without the receiving lines is a pretty moronic abuse of "stats" though. Here's another "terrible" running back the last couple seasons: 8-37-0 8-20-0 17-58-0 7-29-0 13-53-0 15-53-0 16-37-0 22-31-1 22-64-1 14-44-0 13-54-0 9-26-1 Man, I'd sure hate to have had Christian McCaffrey the last couple seasons based on that logic... 🤦 You forgot to include his receiving numbers which are pretty much 70+ yards in all those games 2019 - cmc 1000+ yards receiving 2019 - barkley - 400 yards receiving Edited September 21, 2020 by phegotgame14 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drewfus 128 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Illusion_J said: One thing these guys are right about, is Saquon is not a great drive sustaining RB or whatever you'd want to call. He does try and line up the big run at the risk of no gain rather than taking the 4 yard gain. That's always been a drawback of his. But no question he's an elite talent. Once he gets some support and is able to pick his spots better, he will have the numbers to match his talent. It would be a shame if he became a "what if". Not a wholly unreasonable tactic when you're pretty much the only big play weapon on a team that isn't great at sustaining drives in general. Has he fallen in love with the big play a bit too much and cost his team yards? Sure, but I can understand why. I'm also sure he's broken big plays that he wouldn't have if he were more conservative. Edited September 21, 2020 by Drewfus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trilly 241 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) This thread will be locked by end of day, I predict... I'm not a frequent poster but PsiEdiRin writes as if everything he says is 100% incontrovertible fact, which is comical. Everyone's going to be wrong a lot and to think your view is rock solid all the time shows a lack of perspective. On Barkley, this injury sucks. I'm not a Giants fan but I've always been a fan of great RBs and I hope he will bounce back from this. He would be well-served to adjust his playing style to be less reckless, but he's a true do-it-all guy - he reminds me of a bigger, more powerful Barry Sanders (PsiEdiRin probably hated him too, bc of his boom/bust nature). Here's to hoping he returns 100% healthy and we all get to enjoy watching him have a great career. Dude seems like a standup guy all around, how do you not root for him? Also, the way this thread has gotten derailed is exactly why NFL players have that "eff your fantasy team" attitude, and I don't blame them. Edited September 21, 2020 by trilly 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gohawks 10,067 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, PisEdiRin said: If he were to stay healthy all year and put up shiny box score stats on a 5-11 team, the Giants would have given this overrated, soft, injury-prone, glorified Scat Back a 5 year $80 million extension - and screwed their future on a Loser RB who can't sustain a drive if his life depended on it. 1 hour ago, PisEdiRin said: Saquon landing on season-ending IR was the best possible outcome for the Giants 54 minutes ago, Funkenstein said: Yup. Every time. He sucks Gordon just had a real solid game against pitt. Saquon last week had 85 carries for -1 yd. Bum 55 minutes ago, Funkenstein said: He falls down at first contact like no other back in the league. He actually kind of sucks. Occasionally he breaks one but you can say that about anyone. 3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gohawks 10,067 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 In his rookie season Barkley put up over 2,000 yards and averaged 5 YPC. He also put up 15 TDs. In his second season he was on pace for 1,750 yards and double digit TDs while averaging 4.6 YPC on a bad offense where he was basically the only thing the defense had to worry about running behind a bad line. Yet... He isn't good? The words I have to describe posters who think that would probably get me banned from this forum. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VIKEVIKE77 109 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Poe's law abound ITT. I can't tell if some of these folks are trolling people or are serious..... You would have to be a pretty big dumba** to believe some of this stuff in here. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PisEdiRin 475 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gohawks said: In his rookie season Barkley put up over 2,000 yards and averaged 5 YPC. He also put up 15 TDs. In his second season he was on pace for 1,750 yards and double digit TDs while averaging 4.6 YPC on a bad offense where he was basically the only thing the defense had to worry about running behind a bad line. Yet... He isn't good? The words I have to describe posters who think that would probably get me banned from this forum. You still do not get it. Read my previous posts in this thread about people reading his box score stats instead of understanding down2down football. You literally did what I said was a misleading way of judging him - Which is quote his box score stats. All you did was list his box score stats. You are a simpleton who doesn't get it. Edited September 21, 2020 by PisEdiRin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drewfus 128 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 59 minutes ago, Funkenstein said: I'm not a giants fan That makes your hot takes even worse. Giants fan I can at least understand being emotional and irrational right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST. STEVEN 4,173 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said: You still do not get it. Read my previous posts in this thread about people reading his box score stats instead of understanding down2down football. You literally did what I said was a misleading way of judging him - Which is quote his box score stats. All you did was list his box score stats. You are a simpleton who doesn't get it. This. Is. A. Fantasy Forum. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drewfus 128 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 PisEdiRin response to someone posting selective Saquon stats from bad games: 1 hour ago, PisEdiRin said: THIS!!!! Exactly. Also PisEdiRin, responding to cumulative Saquon stats: 7 minutes ago, PisEdiRin said: You still do not get it. Read my previous posts in this thread about people reading his box score stats instead of understanding down2down football. You literally did what I said was a misleading way of judging him - Which is quote his box score stats. All you did was list his box score stats. You are a simpleton who doesn't get it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vercrazy 970 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ST. STEVEN said: This. Is. A. Fantasy Forum. They're also conveniently ignoring the post previously where I highlighted how he had 5th most and 12th most 1st downs the last two seasons. How is that not "down2down" football? It's like they think Saquon accidentally gets a 99 yard each game and the rest of his rushes are for 0 yards each. Put it this way, if a healthy Saquon was magically added to any arbitrary team in the league, is that team now better? That's a pretty simple way to assess that he's a good player. Edited September 21, 2020 by vercrazy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phegotgame14 428 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Gohawks said: In his rookie season Barkley put up over 2,000 yards and averaged 5 YPC. He also put up 15 TDs. In his second season he was on pace for 1,750 yards and double digit TDs while averaging 4.6 YPC on a bad offense where he was basically the only thing the defense had to worry about running behind a bad line. Yet... He isn't good? The words I have to describe posters who think that would probably get me banned from this forum. Ya ya we get it....David Johnson had a good year in 2016 too...I care about NOW, not what someone used to be able to do or did Edited September 21, 2020 by phegotgame14 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PisEdiRin 475 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, phegotgame14 said: Ya ya we get it....David Johnson had a good year in 2016 too...who cares Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drewfus 128 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, phegotgame14 said: Ya ya we get it....David Johnson had a good year in 2016 too...I care about NOW, not what someone used to be able to do or did So saquon barkley is washed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phegotgame14 428 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Drewfus said: So saquon barkley is washed? Nowhere did I ever say that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trilly 241 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I think the reason he doesn't like stats is because he doesn't like facts getting in the way of the narrative he's spun in his own head. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drewfus 128 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, phegotgame14 said: Nowhere did I ever say that That seemed to be the implication in your comparison to Johnson and saying that he can no longer do what he did before. So he was good at football 2 years ago, but just isn't anymore, although he isn't washed? I'm just trying to understand here. Edited September 21, 2020 by Drewfus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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