posty 1,373 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 21 hours ago, sportsfreak2744 said: I believe it was teams recognizing that unless a player can steal at >70% success it wasn't worth it in terms of run expectancy. Having data on hitters spray charts brought about the shift. Data for starting pitchers the third time through the order is why so many only go 5-6 IP now. It's all this info that teams didn't have before that's changed the game and pushed it towards the 3 outcomes (BB, K, HR). And I agree that this has probably been a negative impact on MLB popularity. Will be interesting to see if MLB feels they need new rules like banning shifts to make up for this or will they allow players and the league time to adjust on their own. Banning the shift would be yet another dumb Manfred rule... Maybe if these guys, instead of hitting into the shift, would maybe, you know, work on going the other way or bunting, that would stop it... But no... They only care about their stupid launch angle and exit velocity and other stupid terms like that... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,508 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, posty said: Banning the shift would be yet another dumb Manfred rule... Maybe if these guys, instead of hitting into the shift, would maybe, you know, work on going the other way or bunting, that would stop it... But no... They only care about their stupid launch angle and exit velocity and other stupid terms like that... Lol. Most players screw up their swing if they try and change it to adapt to the shift. Many have tried and ended up in major slumps because of same. Nope. Shifts have to be regulated for sure. Shifts have unbalanced the game and forced hitters into the three true outcomes game. it is the only thing proven to work against the extreme shifts which takes the whole fun of rallies out of baseball. Extreme shifting is the villain. Remove it and we can have old timey baseball back again. Edited October 21, 2020 by The Big Bat Theory 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
posty 1,373 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 7 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Remove it and we can have old timey baseball back again. Right after the DH gets abolished... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,508 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, posty said: Right after the DH gets abolished... How long are you going to beat a dead horse? You want to also roll us back pre personal cpmputers and cell phones and front wheel drive brakes as well. Lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mongeese 205 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 There are many of us that agree with Posty. Knowing that its not going to happen doesn't mean we won't occasionally complain. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
posty 1,373 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, The Big Bat Theory said: How long are you going to beat a dead horse? You want to also roll us back pre personal cpmputers and cell phones and front wheel drive brakes as well. Lol. You yourself said to roll it back to old time baseball... That is getting rid of the DH... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brockpapersizer 11,899 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The shift is fine and not having pitchers bat is great. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sportsfreak2744 779 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, posty said: You yourself said to roll it back to old time baseball... That is getting rid of the DH... Old time doesn't have to mean pre-1973. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
posty 1,373 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, sportsfreak2744 said: Old time doesn't have to mean pre-1973. True, but baseball would be much better if they did get rid of the DH... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brockpapersizer 11,899 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, posty said: True, but baseball would be much better if they did get rid of the DH... would be a lot worse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
posty 1,373 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, brockpapersizer said: would be a lot worse Unlikely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brockpapersizer 11,899 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, posty said: Unlikely very likely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,508 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 13 hours ago, posty said: You yourself said to roll it back to old time baseball... That is getting rid of the DH... Old timey IS with the DH. Been around for almost a full half century now. It is part of the old timey tradition of baseball. One of the best parts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shakestreet 4,103 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 3:15 PM, posty said: True, but baseball would be much better if they did get rid of the DH... Per Rotoworld LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune hears that "as of now, the DH will be AL-only next season." ✅ I like 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,508 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 DH can still happen in 2021. And if not WILL on 2022. Quote LaVelle E. Neal III of the Minneapolis Star Tribune hears that "as of now, the DH will be AL-only next season." Neal notes that "the union and MLB would have to expand it to both leagues through bargaining," and the current collective bargaining agreement (CBA) runs through the end of the 2021 campaign. It certainly seems like a possibility that the two parties could figure something out with the DH rule independent of the CBA, as they did this year amid the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, but there isn't much clarity as to how those negotiations might be conducted. This is an urgent issue with hot stove season fast approaching. Source: LaVelle E. Neal III on Twitter Oct 22, 2020, 1:52 PM ET NL teams have been investing heavily for DH in 2021 and the Players Association 100% supports it. We don't have to wait an extra year for the inevitable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
posty 1,373 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 The end of baseball... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brockpapersizer 11,899 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, posty said: The end of baseball... Maybe installing the DH only for both leagues will finally drive out the casuals who love watching pitchers bat. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fishingguy12345 129 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, brockpapersizer said: Maybe installing the DH only for both leagues will finally drive out the casuals who love watching pitchers bat. When a pitcher's batting I can imagine that I could be at bat too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrett 134 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30777383/sources-mlbpa-rejects-universal-dh-expanded-playoffs So are both off the table entirely going forward or is it just an opening shot by the NLPA going into negotiations for a new agreement? 2020 thread I know, maybe just change to it to 2021. Edited January 27 by MrBrett Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,508 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, MrBrett said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30777383/sources-mlbpa-rejects-universal-dh-expanded-playoffs So are both off the table entirely going forward or is it just an opening shot by the NLPA going into negotiations for a new agreement? 2020 thread I know, maybe just change to it to 2021. Opening shot. Everything is still up in the air. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FantasyGeek2018 461 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Hopefully that was the final vote on both topics. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
posty 1,373 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, FantasyGeek2018 said: Hopefully that was the final vote on both topics. Agreed, the DH in the NL would be a travesty as would the expanded playoffs... I know that they will still bring up these two terrible ideas for the next CBA, but MLB is trying to kill MLB as much as possible... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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