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Wow - a freak injury occurred from him being tackled. Not a hamstring, not something from just running. But he got tackled awkwardly and twisted his body.  Please kindly escort yourself out for p

Um Carson got 20 touches to Hyde's 7 and he got a TD, what more do u want? 😆 

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1 hour ago, MBarbarian said:

Can't wait for this dude to get back.  Locked in RB1 (top 12) rest of season?

 

If he maintains at least a 50-60% snapshare like early in the season? For sure. Any RB in this high-scoring offense will produce, and Carson is fairly talented. If for some strange reason this becomes a more evenly split 3-back committee or Carson is limited to a 40-45% share... could dip to RB2.

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Decent fantasy score tonight. His useage was bizarre for a "full go." Hopefully he was just on a snap count limit and they were easing him back in, but if this is the norm going forward, Carson is a low end RB2. Hyde was getting most of the snaps tonight, even had a lot of goal line that Carson would have likely punched in putting his total to 2 on the day.

Carson was clearly the better back, but they didn't seem confident playing him fully.

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5 minutes ago, harck said:

Decent fantasy score tonight. His useage was bizarre for a "full go." Hopefully he was just on a snap count limit and they were easing him back in, but if this is the norm going forward, Carson is a low end RB2. Hyde was getting most of the snaps tonight, even had a lot of goal line that Carson would have likely punched in putting his total to 2 on the day.

Carson was clearly the better back, but they didn't seem confident playing him fully.

They were ahead, I dont think they had confidence in Wentz to pull them back in. Could have been gamescript, will be telling next game

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1 minute ago, JacobThunder15 said:

They were ahead, I dont think they had confidence in Wentz to pull them back in. Could have been gamescript, will be telling next game

 

Even early in the game when it was close, Carson was in on the first couple series, then they pulled him out for a loooong stretch of Hyde, even giving Hyde the first 3 shots at the goal line.

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You can tell they were just easing him back in, and he is clearly a much better runner than Hyde. My guess is he gets the lion share of snaps early in the next few games, but if Seattle goes up big on NYG/NYJ/WSH then they will let Hyde run it to kill time and conserve Carson.

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11 minutes ago, harck said:

 

Even early in the game when it was close, Carson was in on the first couple series, then they pulled him out for a loooong stretch of Hyde, even giving Hyde the first 3 shots at the goal line.

This is true. But I noticed Carson had ripped off two long plays and asked to come off. I think his games legs aren’t under him yet.

Having said that, it was a lot more Hyde than I would have liked to see. It was night and day between the two... visually obvious. 

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Box score just backs up how much better Carson was than Hyde.  Sure they didn't give Carson the CMC first game back treatment, but why risk it.  They won.  Carson emerged healthy, which is the most important thing for fantasy owners heading into playoffs.

 

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3 minutes ago, MBarbarian said:

Box score just backs up how much better Carson was than Hyde.  Sure they didn't give Carson the CMC first game back treatment, but why risk it.  They won.  Carson emerged healthy, which is the most important thing for fantasy owners heading into playoffs.

 

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I agree but how many of those carries were at the end of the game when the eagles knew they were running. Maybe half? 

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1 hour ago, JacobThunder15 said:

I agree but how many of those carries were at the end of the game when the eagles knew they were running. Maybe half? 

 

6 fourth quarter rushes for Hyde in the fourth quarter for -3 yards total.  Carson had 1 fourth quarter rush in the fourth for -2 yards.  3rd quarter: Hyde: 1 rush for 4 yds, Carson: 2 rushes for 11 yds.  

The Seahawks tried to use Hyde to close it out in the fourth after they were up 17-9, but he failed to get any first downs.  He did have a 17 yard touchdown nullified by a holding penalty though with 6 minutes left and they settled for a field goal.  Philly turned over on downs, they went back to Hyde to close it out, no first down, settled for another field goal, then Philly scored the hail mary on the next drive with 12 seconds left.

In a close game, bet they'll rely on Carson to close it out going forward.

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In the post-game Carrol all but confirmed this is a two man hot hand committee going forward. Said something along the lines of both RBs will pound away, and more carries will go to whomever is hot. I do suspect, unfortunately for us fantasy owners, the Seahawks will try to preserve Carson for playoffs in these upcoming matchups. I don't think he's going to see his close to 60% snapshare that he was getting earlier in the season.

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30 minutes ago, harck said:

In the post-game Carrol all but confirmed this is a two man hot hand committee going forward. Said something along the lines of both RBs will pound away, and more carries will go to whomever is hot. I do suspect, unfortunately for us fantasy owners, the Seahawks will try to preserve Carson for playoffs in these upcoming matchups. I don't think he's going to see his close to 60% snapshare that he was getting earlier in the season.

I don't buy the hot hand thing. I think he just didn't want to say the truth - that they didn't want to risk getting Carson hurt in a game they didn't really need to use him much - which would imply both that they didn't care about Hyde getting hurt and that they didn't respect Philly. 

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In all my years of fantasy (20 years?) listening to coaches, Pete Carroll is the biggest liar of them all by far, even more than Hoodie.  All you can do is look at the stats and usage with him and ignore his coachspeak.  Good real life coach, huge lying sack of $hit (for fantasy purposes).

If you rely on his statements for fantasy decisions, put a quarter in your a** because you played yourself.

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4 hours ago, harck said:

In the post-game Carrol all but confirmed this is a two man hot hand committee going forward. Said something along the lines of both RBs will pound away, and more carries will go to whomever is hot. I do suspect, unfortunately for us fantasy owners, the Seahawks will try to preserve Carson for playoffs in these upcoming matchups. I don't think he's going to see his close to 60% snapshare that he was getting earlier in the season.

I don’t disagree that it will be this way, but last night was not a hot hand situation (hard To be with 22 yards gained). It seemed by design to play Hyde more.  As a Carson owner I’m hoping it was to ease him back after an extended period out.  But the same thing was happening with Penny last year before he got hurt. 

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7 hours ago, JacobThunder15 said:

I agree but how many of those carries were at the end of the game when the eagles knew they were running. Maybe half? 

Yeah and Hyde also had a really nice TD run called back. I thought he looked good. He's not taking over the majority of snaps when Carson's healthy but I guess I'm not seeing as huge of a drop-off as other people are. I own neither FWIW

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12 minutes ago, owenmills said:

Yeah and Hyde also had a really nice TD run called back. I thought he looked good. He's not taking over the majority of snaps when Carson's healthy but I guess I'm not seeing as huge of a drop-off as other people are. I own neither FWIW

 

...but why was it called back?

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I wouldn’t be worried if I was a Carson owner.
 

I think the biggest shift we’re seeing is Seattle going back to a balanced or run-heavy attack (like last year), rather than just “letting Russ cook” all game.  Wilson’s pass attempts the last two games are 31 & 28, respectively, lower than every other game this season except the Pats in Week 2 (also 28).

 

Their defense is healthier and playing better than earlier in the year, and I think they realized last week against the Cardinals that a bit more ball control makes them a better all-around team.

 

I think Carson will get back to at least 60-75% share of touches next week, and the increased work for Hyde will be offset by the increased volume in the running game as a whole.

 

I’d be more worried if I was a Wilson owner.  They don’t play another elite offense the rest of the season, and for fantasy purposes, I think his ceiling games are all behind him.

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14 minutes ago, cnewbykkn said:

...but why was it called back?

I don't even know where the hold on the play was but it didn't make the run any less impressive. Carson owners can keep telling themselves he sucks to make themselves feel better but he doesn't. He looked really good last game too in his first game back from the hammy injury. 

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Just now, owenmills said:

I don't even know where the hold on the play was but it didn't make the run any less impressive. Carson owners can keep telling themselves he sucks to make themselves feel better but he doesn't. He looked really good last game too in his first game back from the hammy injury. 

 

It absolutely makes it less impressive if thats the reason he even got into the endzone. 

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Just now, cnewbykkn said:

It absolutely makes it less impressive if thats the reason he even got into the endzone. 

The hold created the space, it was going nowhere otherwise.

Hyde is a solid banger that will get what's there, create a tad on his own.

With the schedule he makes sense not only as a handcuff, but also some stand-alone value too.

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