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5 minutes ago, mocha4313 said:

(Curious to know from where you are picking the drills that are important)

I grabbed data from pro football reference, threw everything in an excel, matched 2 tables, created a pivot table and plotted correlation between ech of the categories and the career results. It was a lot of work, but quite interesting.

Btw earlier I had done something similar and found that draft age and draft pick are the best predictors. Not proof or guarantee, but 20yo TEs who get drafted in the first 2 rounds have a much higher chance of succeeding. Which you may file under "DUH" ;) but ok, we sometimes complain that teams don't have a clue, and it turns out they often actually do have a clue.

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7 hours ago, mocha4313 said:

Higbee is going to lose people their leagues.

He is significantly less talented than Goedert, Fant, Jonnu, Hock, Gesicki (who is definitely too low) and Ian Thomas.

No way am I taking him before any of those guys

 

I dont think the issue is with talent, just that how much are you buying into an amazing 5 game sample size?

Its seem like there is a good amount of people in the industry who are treating him as some no brainer TE1. I just dont understand that.

Higbee is in a tier of guys with Engram and Henry who I have no interest in drafting.

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12 hours ago, BMcP said:

Can you explain why you dislike the “athletic profile”?  His late breakout leads me to believe the team/coaches hadn’t figured out how best to utilize him before the end of last year.

 

12 hours ago, mocha4313 said:

This is Tyler Higbee's athletic profile (incomplete but not exactly a pretty picture):

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tyler-higbee/

This is TJ Hockenson:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tj-hockenson/

This is Jonnu Smith:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jonnu-smith/

This is Mike Gesicki:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/mike-gesicki/

This is Noah Fant:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/noah-fant/

 

Again combine drills and athleticism doesn't make you good, but not having that as a plus is a major red flag for a TE

 

  

 Man........ it breaks my heart to see an impressionable fantasy football player buying the snake oil known as "playerprofiler".

 

Here's the truth: Playerprofiler's 'best comparable' is complete bullsh*t. This 'metric' means absolutely NOTHING, has no connection to any of the numbers displayed, and therefore offers zero insight.

 

You're seeing two completely different players listed as 'best comparables' with zero supporting data. It's as if all their 'metrics' (breakout age, dominator, flaccid penis size, etc) disappear into outer space, and they're just randomly drawing names out of a hat.

Are you aware that the guys running playerprofiler retrospectively change the best comparable? Well, now you are.

 

Here's how it works: they change the 'best comparable' depending on how well a player does in the NFL. So a prospect with a 'not so pretty picture' athletic profile - suddenly goes from being 'comparable' to a scrub, to being 'comparable' to a stud. No notification, no footnote, no discussion. I feel sorry for any poor sucker being misled by this fraudulent practice - you're being lied to and you don't even know it.

If the 'best comparable' is to be used as criteria informing serious decisions, it should remain unchanged from the moment a player's name is entered in the database. Changing it with the benefit of hindsight - on an arbitrary basis - makes no sense and renders it absolutely worthless. Any semi-literate schlub can be 'right' in hindsight (like i currently am! Amazing.)

 

But owning your mistakes - and discussing better ways to identify talent - isn't good for playerprofiler's business. It's also waaaaaay more time-consuming.

So... we see a hastily-edited, 'non-evolutionary progression' in the 'best comparables' of certain prospects:

 

1. Cooper kupp goes from being 'best comparable' to Austin collie, to being 'best comparable' to Michael crabtree. Lol.

2. Deshaun watson goes from being a CFL level QB like Colt mccoy, to Tyrod taylor, to Dak prescott!!...What an improvement. 🤣

3. Alvin Kamara goes from Charcandrick west, to Dwayne washington to.......MARSHAWN LYNCH??!! what??....🤣🤣🤣 https://www.playerprofiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Alvin-Kamara-Profile.png

4. Alvin Kamara, post break-out, then becomes a 'shocking parallel' FOR...the legendary Kalen ballage. https://www.playerprofiler.com/article/kalen-ballage-advanced-stats-metrics-analytics-nfl-draft-profile/

5. Corey Davis goes from Terrell Owens to jordan matthews. Of course.

6. Jordan matthews though, is best comparable to Alshon jeffrey, and then comparable to Eric decker. Well...they're all similar height, i guess.

7. Christian Mccaffrey goes from Duke johnson 🤣 to Aaron jones. Quite a leap.

8. But not as good as Calvin ridley, who impressively goes from Jared abbrederis (!!!) to Marvin jones. So hypothetically...

9. Tyler higbee can go from Zach sudfeld, to.....well, i don't know. Your guess is as good as mine.

 

 

Hang on ...maybe i'm wrong. Playerprofiler tracks performance in relation to athleticism, and numbers don't lie. They predict upside, not success or failure. So, I will now use the power of PLAYERPROFILER to find you some AMAZING SLEEPER PICKS. HUGE UPSIDE.

Quick, write these down!!

 

This is Jerick Mckinnon, who has an upside comparable to Ladainian Tomlinson:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jerick-mckinnon/

This is Leonte caroo, comparable to Roddy white:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/leonte-carroo/

This is David njoku, comparable to Travis kelce:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/david-njoku/

This is Tevin coleman, comparable to Jamaal charles:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tevin-coleman/

 

Holy sh*t, that's an amazing team!! You're welcome. Be sure to credit me when you're DOMINATING your league.

 

I'm NOT A HATER. I'll give credit to playerprofiler for realizing that blindly predicting upside is preferable (and easier!) to blindly predicting downside. Smart move.

 

Its also easier than laboriously watching highlights -- for the purpose of confirming that Alvin kamara - is in fact!!! - nothing like dwayne washington OR marshawn lynch...🤣🤣

 

Sorry for the long post, but i really don't think much of playerprofiler. And neither should you.

 

(P.S. Tyler Higbee is good. )

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12 hours ago, Breesus said:

I feel like the logic is there. Nothing to do with being a fan. The last 8 weeks when him and Drew played together he had 7 TD’s in 8 games. We have a history dating back to Jeremy Shockey that Drew will make the TE relevant. 
 

I also think Cook gets a bad rap because his good years in his career have came late. I think he’s a very good player 


If MT, Kamara, and Sanders all stay healthy, there is nothing logical about it. And Brees has not always produced a valuable TE as a Saint. Until Graham’s second season in 2011, there wasn’t a fantasy starter-worthy TE in NOLA during Brees’ tenure. And from 2016-18, there was no fantasy starter at TE. Shockey was never more than a stream when he was in NOLA. 

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1 hour ago, Flyman75 said:


If MT, Kamara, and Sanders all stay healthy, there is nothing logical about it. And Brees has not always produced a valuable TE as a Saint. Until Graham’s second season in 2011, there wasn’t a fantasy starter-worthy TE in NOLA during Brees’ tenure. And from 2016-18, there was no fantasy starter at TE. Shockey was never more than a stream when he was in NOLA. 

We will have to just wait and see. Drew was on pace for over 40 TD’s last year if he played for the whole season. I expect the saints to have a top 5 scoring offense. I think it’s completely plausible that his athletic TE that is going to see single coverage the whole year will have a good amount of touchdowns.

 

I understand your point, I just disagree with it. There will be a lot of weapons and mouths to feed, it’s also possible he has 600 yards and 6 TD’s. I just don’t believe it will happen 

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2 hours ago, predator_05 said:

 

 

  

 Man........ it breaks my heart to see an impressionable fantasy football player buying the snake oil known as "playerprofiler".

 

Here's the truth: Playerprofiler's 'best comparable' is complete bullsh*t. This 'metric' means absolutely NOTHING, has no connection to any of the numbers displayed, and therefore offers zero insight.

 

You're seeing two completely different players listed as 'best comparables' with zero supporting data. It's as if all their 'metrics' (breakout age, dominator, flaccid penis size, etc) disappear into outer space, and they're just randomly drawing names out of a hat.

Are you aware that the guys running playerprofiler retrospectively change the best comparable? Well, now you are.

 

Here's how it works: they change the 'best comparable' depending on how well a player does in the NFL. So a prospect with a 'not so pretty picture' athletic profile - suddenly goes from being 'comparable' to a scrub, to being 'comparable' to a stud. No notification, no footnote, no discussion. I feel sorry for any poor sucker being misled by this fraudulent practice - you're being lied to and you don't even know it.

If the 'best comparable' is to be used as criteria informing serious decisions, it should remain unchanged from the moment a player's name is entered in the database. Changing it with the benefit of hindsight - on an arbitrary basis - makes no sense and renders it absolutely worthless. Any semi-literate schlub can be 'right' in hindsight (like i currently am! Amazing.)

 

But owning your mistakes - and discussing better ways to identify talent - isn't good for playerprofiler's business. It's also waaaaaay more time-consuming.

So... we see a hastily-edited, 'non-evolutionary progression' in the 'best comparables' of certain prospects:

 

1. Cooper kupp goes from being 'best comparable' to Austin collie, to being 'best comparable' to Michael crabtree. Lol.

2. Deshaun watson goes from being a CFL level QB like Colt mccoy, to Tyrod taylor, to Dak prescott!!...What an improvement. 🤣

3. Alvin Kamara goes from Charcandrick west, to Dwayne washington to.......MARSHAWN LYNCH??!! what??....🤣🤣🤣 https://www.playerprofiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Alvin-Kamara-Profile.png

4. Alvin Kamara, post break-out, then becomes a 'shocking parallel' FOR...the legendary Kalen ballage. https://www.playerprofiler.com/article/kalen-ballage-advanced-stats-metrics-analytics-nfl-draft-profile/

5. Corey Davis goes from Terrell Owens to jordan matthews. Of course.

6. Jordan matthews though, is best comparable to Alshon jeffrey, and then comparable to Eric decker. Well...they're all similar height, i guess.

7. Christian Mccaffrey goes from Duke johnson 🤣 to Aaron jones. Quite a leap.

8. But not as good as Calvin ridley, who impressively goes from Jared abbrederis (!!!) to Marvin jones. So hypothetically...

9. Tyler higbee can go from Zach sudfeld, to.....well, i don't know. Your guess is as good as mine.

 

 

Hang on ...maybe i'm wrong. Playerprofiler tracks performance in relation to athleticism, and numbers don't lie. They predict upside, not success or failure. So, I will now use the power of PLAYERPROFILER to find you some AMAZING SLEEPER PICKS. HUGE UPSIDE.

Quick, write these down!!

 

This is Jerick Mckinnon, who has an upside comparable to Ladainian Tomlinson:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jerick-mckinnon/

This is Leonte caroo, comparable to Roddy white:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/leonte-carroo/

This is David njoku, comparable to Travis kelce:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/david-njoku/

This is Tevin coleman, comparable to Jamaal charles:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tevin-coleman/

 

Holy sh*t, that's an amazing team!! You're welcome. Be sure to credit me when you're DOMINATING your league.

 

I'm NOT A HATER. I'll give credit to playerprofiler for realizing that blindly predicting upside is preferable (and easier!) to blindly predicting downside. Smart move.

 

Its also easier than laboriously watching highlights -- for the purpose of confirming that Alvin kamara - is in fact!!! - nothing like dwayne washington OR marshawn lynch...🤣🤣

 

Sorry for the long post, but i really don't think much of playerprofiler. And neither should you.

 

(P.S. Tyler Higbee is good. )

I am giving exactly zero consideration to the best comparable

 

I am exclusively looking at the athleticism measures

 

That's it

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Very good TE rankings list. Well done.

Definitely not as high on Engram as you are though. I get the potential but injuries have pretty much derailed him every season plus fighting a plethora of options for targets. Placing him in a tier with one of the perennial leaders at TE in Ertz and Waller who had 90 receptions and 1100+ yards last season doesn’t feel right. He is a guy I want no part of at his current ADP

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2 hours ago, predator_05 said:

 

 

  

 Man........ it breaks my heart to see an impressionable fantasy football player buying the snake oil known as "playerprofiler".

 

Here's the truth: Playerprofiler's 'best comparable' is complete bullsh*t. This 'metric' means absolutely NOTHING, has no connection to any of the numbers displayed, and therefore offers zero insight.

 

You're seeing two completely different players listed as 'best comparables' with zero supporting data. It's as if all their 'metrics' (breakout age, dominator, flaccid penis size, etc) disappear into outer space, and they're just randomly drawing names out of a hat.

Are you aware that the guys running playerprofiler retrospectively change the best comparable? Well, now you are.

 

Here's how it works: they change the 'best comparable' depending on how well a player does in the NFL. So a prospect with a 'not so pretty picture' athletic profile - suddenly goes from being 'comparable' to a scrub, to being 'comparable' to a stud. No notification, no footnote, no discussion. I feel sorry for any poor sucker being misled by this fraudulent practice - you're being lied to and you don't even know it.

If the 'best comparable' is to be used as criteria informing serious decisions, it should remain unchanged from the moment a player's name is entered in the database. Changing it with the benefit of hindsight - on an arbitrary basis - makes no sense and renders it absolutely worthless. Any semi-literate schlub can be 'right' in hindsight (like i currently am! Amazing.)

 

But owning your mistakes - and discussing better ways to identify talent - isn't good for playerprofiler's business. It's also waaaaaay more time-consuming.

So... we see a hastily-edited, 'non-evolutionary progression' in the 'best comparables' of certain prospects:

 

1. Cooper kupp goes from being 'best comparable' to Austin collie, to being 'best comparable' to Michael crabtree. Lol.

2. Deshaun watson goes from being a CFL level QB like Colt mccoy, to Tyrod taylor, to Dak prescott!!...What an improvement. 🤣

3. Alvin Kamara goes from Charcandrick west, to Dwayne washington to.......MARSHAWN LYNCH??!! what??....🤣🤣🤣 https://www.playerprofiler.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Alvin-Kamara-Profile.png

4. Alvin Kamara, post break-out, then becomes a 'shocking parallel' FOR...the legendary Kalen ballage. https://www.playerprofiler.com/article/kalen-ballage-advanced-stats-metrics-analytics-nfl-draft-profile/

5. Corey Davis goes from Terrell Owens to jordan matthews. Of course.

6. Jordan matthews though, is best comparable to Alshon jeffrey, and then comparable to Eric decker. Well...they're all similar height, i guess.

7. Christian Mccaffrey goes from Duke johnson 🤣 to Aaron jones. Quite a leap.

8. But not as good as Calvin ridley, who impressively goes from Jared abbrederis (!!!) to Marvin jones. So hypothetically...

9. Tyler higbee can go from Zach sudfeld, to.....well, i don't know. Your guess is as good as mine.

 

 

Hang on ...maybe i'm wrong. Playerprofiler tracks performance in relation to athleticism, and numbers don't lie. They predict upside, not success or failure. So, I will now use the power of PLAYERPROFILER to find you some AMAZING SLEEPER PICKS. HUGE UPSIDE.

Quick, write these down!!

 

This is Jerick Mckinnon, who has an upside comparable to Ladainian Tomlinson:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jerick-mckinnon/

This is Leonte caroo, comparable to Roddy white:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/leonte-carroo/

This is David njoku, comparable to Travis kelce:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/david-njoku/

This is Tevin coleman, comparable to Jamaal charles:

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/tevin-coleman/

 

Holy sh*t, that's an amazing team!! You're welcome. Be sure to credit me when you're DOMINATING your league.

 

I'm NOT A HATER. I'll give credit to playerprofiler for realizing that blindly predicting upside is preferable (and easier!) to blindly predicting downside. Smart move.

 

Its also easier than laboriously watching highlights -- for the purpose of confirming that Alvin kamara - is in fact!!! - nothing like dwayne washington OR marshawn lynch...🤣🤣

 

Sorry for the long post, but i really don't think much of playerprofiler. And neither should you.

 

(P.S. Tyler Higbee is good. )

 

Serious fantasy players care very little about the best comparable name on playerprofiler. Playerprofiler is considered an industry standard and one of the most innovative platforms in fantasy. Aside from the "best comparable player" they track every metric that we care about as fantasy players. I've never heard anyone within the industry bash the site. If you can cite any serious critiques of playerprofiler from fantasy analysts I'd be interested.

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Personally, I don’t understand the outrage over changing the player comps - shouldn’t you want them to do that once we know more information about that player?

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Who gives a shiete about best comparable player anyways ... can we please move on. If you give any inkling of importance to that, you’re just a rookie. 

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