ajs723 3,327 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Magoo said: The guy with the highest ADOT on the team is going to be just a red zone target? That makes zero sense to me. He's got both covered. That makes him even more valuable and another reason Doyle isn't a threat and may be worthless as a fantasy player moving forward. He's averaging under 4 targets per game on the year, with Doyle hurt or limited for most of that. My point isn't that Doyle is going to come in and be a superstar, it's that Cox is never going to see more than about 3 targets per game. He's a fine dart throw, but if you can sell him as the next big thing right now, that's the perfect sell high. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ajs723 said: He's averaging under 4 targets per game on the year, with Doyle hurt or limited for most of that. My point isn't that Doyle is going to come in and be a superstar, it's that Cox is never going to see more than about 3 targets per game. He's a fine dart throw, but if you can sell him as the next big thing right now, that's the perfect sell high. I get your point about about low targets and certainly - my point about game flow and target share vis a vis the whole team aside - through two games they've been low. But how can you be so sure about the low targets moving forward? If you are ignoring target share % as it relates to the significance of total targets, then you'd have to say the same concern about 3-5 targets applies to Pittman, Hilton and Pascal as well. Otherwise you are overly abstracting other completely relevant data. Edited September 28, 2020 by Magoo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 3,327 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Magoo said: I get your point about about low targets and certainly - my point about game flow and target share vis a vis the whole team aside - through two games they've been low. But how can you be so sure about the low targets moving forward? If you are ignoring target share % as it relates to the significance of total targets, then you'd have to say the same concern about 3-5 targets applies to Pittman, Hilton and Pascal as well. Otherwise you are overly abstracting other completely relevant data. Well yeah, I wouldn't be buying any of the pass catchers in this offense. They are a run first team that will spread the targets out. This isn't a Gesicki or Jonnu Smith situation where the guy may be a heavily featured weapon. He's closer to Darren Fells or Tyler Kroft. Red zone appeal and limited volume. In my opinion. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yanksman 3,781 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I like Jimmy Graham better than MAC especially with BDN at QB and Tarik out for the year with an ACL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, ajs723 said: Well yeah, I wouldn't be buying any of the pass catchers in this offense. They are a run first team that will spread the targets out. This isn't a Gesicki or Jonnu Smith situation where the guy may be a heavily featured weapon. He's closer to Darren Fells or Tyler Kroft. Red zone appeal and limited volume. In my opinion. Fair enough and good point I need to rethink my Pittman love now lol. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
No1Statistican 16 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Buy low: Diontae Johnson wr3 price, David Johnson low rb2 price, Adam Thielen wr2 price, Josh Jacobs high rb2 price Sell high: James Conner rb1 price Edited September 28, 2020 by No1Statistican Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mulhollandvelvet 997 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Shouldn't we be waiting for Diontae's status before buying? I am worried if he misses a couple games James Washington takes his role. I think if you can sell Allen Robinson right now would be a good time. He had a big game and people are excited about Foles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dirty Little Birdie 1,131 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 has anyone bought low on Drake or Mixon?? if so, what did you send for them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mulhollandvelvet 997 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Dirty Little Birdie said: has anyone bought low on Drake or Mixon?? if so, what did you send for them? I got offered Mixon and Amari Cooper for Miles Sanders and Gallup. I don't really think that is buying all that low though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgu112 218 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, No1Statistican said: Buy low: Diontae Johnson wr3 price, David Johnson low rb2 price, Adam Thielen wr2 price, Josh Jacobs high rb2 price Sell high: James Conner rb1 price Who r u going to sell james conner for? His injury risk is baked into his value so you wont get a stud back (certainly not a rb). And when he plays he's a top 12 rb (probably higher). With how few good rbs there are right now, selling one with conners situation (workload and team) would be pretty dumb. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FinsUp24 519 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Buy low on basically all the fantasy relevant Texans. David Johnson in particular. Schedule really opens up now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,519 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 hours ago, mulhollandvelvet said: Shouldn't we be waiting for Diontae's status before buying? I am worried if he misses a couple games James Washington takes his role. I think if you can sell Allen Robinson right now would be a good time. He had a big game and people are excited about Foles. I wouldn't sell ARob for almost anything. He's posted WR1 number multiple years with some of the worst quarterbacks of the last decade. Let that fully sink in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nk2333 9 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Magoo said: I wouldn't sell ARob for almost anything. He's posted WR1 number multiple years with some of the worst quarterbacks of the last decade. Let that fully sink in. I would, for the right offer. Seems like Graham is getting the red zone looks. That TD didn't come until late in the 4th. The Bears will have to be in some shootout games for robinson to post every week wr1 numbers and with that D, I don't see it happening that often. As a Robinson owner, I hope i'm wrong. Edited September 28, 2020 by nk2333 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SharkSwimmer 4,904 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Sell high on Josh Allen. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harck 478 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Feel like Amari Cooper is a sell high. The cowboys are so loaded on offensive weapons that I think his share of targets starts to trend down (not to mention every falcons/seahawks game is a shootout). Also, did anyone else feel like he got injured in that Seahawks game but they sent him out in the second half as just a decoy? He was sidelined on half of the second half drives, and the other half he was just walking his routes. Love his targets, love that he has put consistent 17-18 pts per game without a TD in PPR, but worried his targets dry up to the other 3 talented guys and there's some injury under the surface brewing here. Edited September 28, 2020 by harck 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmcampbe11 754 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Magoo said: I wouldn't sell ARob for almost anything. He's posted WR1 number multiple years with some of the worst quarterbacks of the last decade. Let that fully sink in. I wouldn't be looking to sell A-Rob either. I'm looking at this week's performance as more of him turning the corner than a one and done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmcampbe11 754 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, harck said: Feel like Amari Cooper is a sell high. The cowboys are so loaded on offensive weapons that I think his share of targets starts to trend down (not to mention every falcons/seahawks game is a shootout). Also, did anyone else feel like he got injured in that Seahawks game but they sent him out in the second half as just a decoy? He was sidelined on half of the second half drives, and the other half he was just walking his routes. Love his targets, love that he has put consistent 17-18 pts per game without a TD in PPR, but worried his targets dry up to the other 3 talented guys and there's some injury under the surface brewing here. Makes sense. Lots of mouths to feed on that team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmcampbe11 754 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, No1Statistican said: Buy low: Diontae Johnson wr3 price, David Johnson low rb2 price, Adam Thielen wr2 price, Josh Jacobs high rb2 price Sell high: James Conner rb1 price I'm wrestling with what Johnson actually is. Is week 1 or 2 more indicative of what to expect? As for Conner, what comparable RB1s do you think you might be able to trade him for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmcampbe11 754 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, mulhollandvelvet said: Shouldn't we be waiting for Diontae's status before buying? I am worried if he misses a couple games James Washington takes his role. I think if you can sell Allen Robinson right now would be a good time. He had a big game and people are excited about Foles. ...but he's been a consistently good receiver throughout his career and Foles is most definitely a QB upgrade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jmcampbe11 754 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Dirty Little Birdie said: has anyone bought low on Drake or Mixon?? if so, what did you send for them? Kind of. Drake was drafted the pick before T. Hill in my league so they were kind of equal in value. And I was able to trade Hill / J.White for Drake / J-Rob...and I think J-Rob is a pretty big upgrade over White. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harck 478 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Yeah my favorite ROS receivers right now are Lockett and Robinson. Very jealous of the peeps that drafted them. Chicago is built around Robinson and Foles will feed him. Lockett is benefiting from the Seahawks shift to pass first and is probably a 20 point floor at this point. If I drafted these guys, I wouldn't trade them for anything outside of super super lopsided deals, particularly ppr leagues. Edited September 28, 2020 by harck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leffe186 662 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 hours ago, cgu112 said: Who r u going to sell james conner for? His injury risk is baked into his value so you wont get a stud back (certainly not a rb). And when he plays he's a top 12 rb (probably higher). With how few good rbs there are right now, selling one with conners situation (workload and team) would be pretty dumb. Yeah, I'm having an internal battle over this one atm. The DJ Moore owner nearly bit on a straight swap this week (all my WRs are dead) and I'm pretty glad he didn't. Just can't make up my mind what to do with Conner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zen25 96 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 wow man. That's a crazy good offer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leffe186 662 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Heizz said: I know his next 3 games are gravy, but is anyone on board with James Robinson as a sell high? I was just offered Michael Thomas, and am having a hard time not smashing the accept. It's situational I think. I kept him in one league and sold him in the other. It's selling high in a sense, but I don't see it dropping off any time soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. JJ 8 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 3 hours ago, jmcampbe11 said: I'm wrestling with what Johnson actually is. Is week 1 or 2 more indicative of what to expect? As for Conner, what comparable RB1s do you think you might be able to trade him for? I don't understand why a (naive) owner would trade a RB1 for Conner. That makes no sense and someone earlier said that Conner's injury history is baked into his trade value, which is true. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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