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8 hours ago, Chest-Rockwell said:


Well there’s one good bullpen arm for ya. Enter Liam Hendricks. 

Personally, as a Sox fan, don’t love it.

The shelf life on elite closers sustaining that level of “eliteness”, on average...yeah, it ain’t good.

Not that Hendricks doesn’t make them a better team in 2021. It might. I mean, one would think it would or at least should

But might not though.

For all we know, from the moment Hendricks first takes the bump for the ChiSox, he’s just as likely to be Blake Treinen 2019 or, worse yet, Billy Koch redux for the south sliders, as he is Liam Hendricks for the past collective 135-140 games or so that he’s been closing major league ballgames between around the midway point of 2019 and the 60 game abbreviated 2020 season.

Hoping for the best.

The price is a little rich but who would you have preferred they sign?

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I think ReyLo is beyond repair. But I do believe one of Kopech and Cease will be a solid-to-good back end starter. My money would be on Kopech. Pains me to say this as a former Cease truther. I think

1 hour ago, 2ndCitySox said:

The price is a little rich but who would you have preferred they sign?

Bauer or Springer.

I'm not at all unhappy about signing Hendriks. He has been great these past two seasons. I just hope he keeps it up. Cautiously optimistic that he does.

It's more of fundamental distrust of throwing big dollars as elite closers. The flameout rate is astronomical; and when it happens, the descent is quick.

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Hendricks takes a good bullpen and makes it near elite.  Hendricks-Bummer-Marshall is nails and Crochet and Heuer are both young, high upside relievers.  Fry and Foster are serviceable with upside.  I'm doing a quick scan now and I'd say CWS now has a top 3 bullpen with NYY and NYM.  LAD, ATL, and StL are in the mix in the next tier.

IMO the signing of Hendricks, while expensive, makes the team much more balanced.  With bats for days and three excellent starters, having a good pen rounds out the squad for a title run.

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1 hour ago, En Votto Veritas said:

Hendricks takes a good bullpen and makes it near elite.  Hendricks-Bummer-Marshall is nails and Crochet and Heuer are both young, high upside relievers.  Fry and Foster are serviceable with upside.  I'm doing a quick scan now and I'd say CWS now has a top 3 bullpen with NYY and NYM.  LAD, ATL, and StL are in the mix in the next tier.

IMO the signing of Hendricks, while expensive, makes the team much more balanced.  With bats for days and three excellent starters, having a good pen rounds out the squad for a title run.

 

They probably need another starter. Maybe not a free agent signing but an in season trade could work. What are the chances Cease / Kopech / Lopez can both stay healthy and deliver good results as the 4 and 5 starters? I would say not very high.

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8 hours ago, Sidearmer said:

 

They probably need another starter. Maybe not a free agent signing but an in season trade could work. What are the chances Cease / Kopech / Lopez can both stay healthy and deliver good results as the 4 and 5 starters? I would say not very high.

I think ReyLo is beyond repair. But I do believe one of Kopech and Cease will be a solid-to-good back end starter. My money would be on Kopech. Pains me to say this as a former Cease truther. I think it's highly likely the White Sox make another SP acquisition. Even after landing Lynn they were rumored to be in on Gray, so they're looking. I would personally put money on Quintana coming back on a short term deal to take on the same role Gio Gonzalez did last year.

Hendricks will be great but my hot take is that he won't even be their best reliever. I think Crochet is probably penciled into the 2022 starting staff, so he could ramp up to throw 100+ innings by year's end. With his dynamite stuff, he could put up a 2014 Betances types of season.

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7 hours ago, sleepysock said:

I think ReyLo is beyond repair. But I do believe one of Kopech and Cease will be a solid-to-good back end starter. My money would be on Kopech. Pains me to say this as a former Cease truther. I think it's highly likely the White Sox make another SP acquisition. Even after landing Lynn they were rumored to be in on Gray, so they're looking. I would personally put money on Quintana coming back on a short term deal to take on the same role Gio Gonzalez did last year.

Hendricks will be great but my hot take is that he won't even be their best reliever. I think Crochet is probably penciled into the 2022 starting staff, so he could ramp up to throw 100+ innings by year's end. With his dynamite stuff, he could put up a 2014 Betances types of season.

Yeah Lopez is likely best suited for the bullpen. I think Cease and Kopech can both be effective starters this year, but the Sox will need some depth and I could 100% see Quintana coming back. 

Still in on Sonny Gray? I hadn't heard that. If they got him the Sox, at least in the offseason, would make up for what the Bears do to my sports psyche.

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I know I'm getting super greedy but I would love to see the White Sox add one more SP, preferably Sonny Gray...but at this point I would take a Duffy/Means/J Gray type

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1 hour ago, Ecofolux said:

I know I'm getting super greedy but I would love to see the White Sox add one more SP, preferably Sonny Gray...but at this point I would take a Duffy/Means/J Gray type

You aren't being greedy. Reinsdork is being cheap.

White Sox have very little depth, it's their achilles heal going into 2021. Once players start getting injured we will see the weakness. 

 

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Pretty crap start to the season. Not Athletics bad, but frustrating enough. 7 (seven!) unearned runs in the series with the Angels, and the bullpen looked more bad than good. 

Rodon goes tonight @ SEA against Sheffield. Here's to winning this series and making me feel better. 

 

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3 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

Pretty crap start to the season. Not Athletics bad, but frustrating enough. 7 (seven!) unearned runs in the series with the Angels, and the bullpen looked more bad than good. 

Rodon goes tonight @ SEA against Sheffield. Here's to winning this series and making me feel better. 

 

The defense needs to tighten up. The ball hitting Robert on the head during a routine flyout was embarrassing.

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This really should be the lineup (in no particular order, just the names):

C - Grandal 

1B- Abreu

2B - Madrigal 

SS - Anderson

3B - Moncada 

LF - Vaughn

CF - Bob

RF- Eaton 

DH- Mercedes 

Only one of these can be replaced per game. 

I.e I don't want to see Jake Lamb and Zack Collins in the same lineup

This is simple Tony, do it!

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On 4/30/2021 at 3:48 PM, 2ndCitySox said:

This really should be the lineup (in no particular order, just the names):

C - Grandal 

1B- Abreu

2B - Madrigal 

SS - Anderson

3B - Moncada 

LF - Vaughn

CF - Bob

RF- Eaton 

DH- Mercedes 

Only one of these can be replaced per game. 

I.e I don't want to see Jake Lamb and Zack Collins in the same lineup

This is simple Tony, do it!

See today's lineup. See zero runs. 

 

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23 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

See today's lineup. See zero runs. 

 

I feel like you're burying the lead about what happened in today's game...what are the ramifications of a Luis Robert injury on the lineup in your view? Asking as a jealous Cubs fan who wants to see you guys win and hating the loss of Eloy and now Bob for y'all.

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32 minutes ago, Richard Kimble said:

I feel like you're burying the lead about what happened in today's game...what are the ramifications of a Luis Robert injury on the lineup in your view? Asking as a jealous Cubs fan who wants to see you guys win and hating the loss of Eloy and now Bob for y'all.

Actually was only following updates on my phone. 83 degrees and sunny today!

I dont even know what happened to Robert. Great....

 

Ah don't be jealous yet. You are a Chicago sports fan (at least the Cubs), I am a Chicago sports fan....we get our fair share of disappointment. 

 

 

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Robert strained right hip flexor. They are calling up some guy I've never heard of. Adam Engel would be nice right about now but they don't want to rush him. 

The lineup when healthy is great. But the lack of depth is showing its teeth.

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11 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

Actually was only following updates on my phone. 83 degrees and sunny today!

I dont even know what happened to Robert. Great....

 

Ah don't be jealous yet. You are a Chicago sports fan (at least the Cubs), I am a Chicago sports fan....we get our fair share of disappointment. 

They've made many horrible moves over the years but at least have some aggressiveness led by Kenny Williams, and Rick Hahn deserves a boatload of credit for putting his plan to action from day one. At least they operate knowing Reinsdorf is about as hands off as an owner can be and they have no chance of being fired. Unlike the Cubs who are owned by a skinflint who will lap up the profits for years and not put the money back into the team and thinks he knows more about baseball than the likes of Epstein/Hoyer. Neither situations are as disappointing as the monument to incompetence known as the Bears and Bulls. 

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15 minutes ago, Richard Kimble said:

They've made many horrible moves over the years but at least have some aggressiveness led by Kenny Williams, and Rick Hahn deserves a boatload of credit for putting his plan to action from day one. At least they operate knowing Reinsdorf is about as hands off as an owner can be and they have no chance of being fired. Unlike the Cubs who are owned by a skinflint who will lap up the profits for years and not put the money back into the team and thinks he knows more about baseball than the likes of Epstein/Hoyer. Neither situations are as disappointing as the monument to incompetence known as the Bears and Bulls. 

Yeah I don't get the Ricketts at all. They seemed all in (and to their credit, got a damn title) but now it's like they are bored and looking for a new thrill. 

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Its taken the 2021 edition of Tony LaRussa a whole 29 games to cement his legacy as the worst manager in baseball this century.

Bottom of 9th. Kopech needs to get yanked with two on, two out in tied game. Reds have already announced Tucker Barnhart, LH bat as the pinch hitter in the 9 hole. 

He only has Hendrix warm. Only one LHP in the pen, which is Bummer, not warming up. Bummer hasn't pitched since Saturday.  Hendriks gets the out, but.......

Now he allows Hendriks to run as the 'last out / zombie runner' to start the 10th because he's slotted in the lineup where the last out was made in top of 9th. However, rule allows you to keep the pitcher off of the base path and go back one more slot in the lineup. Stupid rule, its new. I don't care. 7 figure salaried Hall Of Fame Baseball Guy isn't allowed that kind of leeway.. 

Let Billy Hamilton hit in yet another clutch situation, 1st and 3rd, one out in the 10th.

While letting Billy Hamilton hit, decided to send the runner on first, who was thrown out at 2nd.

Billy Hamilton Ks.

 

Sox lose in bottom of 10th. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Junkie Cosmonaut said:

Its taken the 2021 edition of Tony LaRussa a whole 29 games to cement his legacy as the worst manager in baseball this century.

Bottom of 9th. Kopech needs to get yanked with two on, two out in tied game. Reds have already announced Tucker Barnhart, LH bat as the pinch hitter in the 9 hole. 

He only has Hendrix warm. Only one LHP in the pen, which is Bummer, not warming up. Bummer hasn't pitched since Saturday.  Hendriks gets the out, but.......

Now he allows Hendriks to run as the 'last out / zombie runner' to start the 10th because he's slotted in the lineup where the last out was made in top of 9th. However, rule allows you to keep the pitcher off of the base path and go back one more slot in the lineup. Stupid rule, its new. I don't care. 7 figure salaried Hall Of Fame Baseball Guy isn't allowed that kind of leeway.. 

Let Billy Hamilton hit in yet another clutch situation, 1st and 3rd, one out in the 10th.

While letting Billy Hamilton hit, decided to send the runner on first, who was thrown out at 2nd.

Billy Hamilton Ks.

 

Sox lose in bottom of 10th. 

 

TLR has cost them at least 3/4 games already with his bizarre decision making

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