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2 minutes ago, taenggg said:

Who's arguing against Ws? You came in here and proclaimed that because Malone (LOL) improved the nuggets record the last 4 years that it must be an indicator that he's obviously making the right decision with lineups. Then you provided a four game sample size using the most basic of stats as if it proved anything.

Guess what? Mark Jackson also improved the Warriors record every season as well. Are we supposed to believe he's a good coach now? Maybe just maybe it had to do with having a 1st ballot HOFer on his team. Malone's obsession with playing Barton is the same obsession Mark Jackson had with playing David Lee.

The fact of the matter is the offense looks like absolute trash without Jokicball and this is an indictment on Malone and his limited playbook his entire Nuggets tenure.

Yeah you can probably call me a Malone hater, but this is after years and years of watching the Nuggets play and that has nothing to do with fantasy.

And FYI plenty of nuggets fans are pissed at Malone for this very reason, just take a look at their forums if youre looking for more proof.

 

 

 

You're telling me there's nuggets fans out there unhappy with a west semi and west finals with an incredibly young core that can still improve?

A core that started under the coach they still have now from when they were a** cheeks?

If getting deeper every year makes your fans unhappy you need better fans. Or maybe the fans can coach them to the promised land since they're all obviously got more basketball smarts then all these other coaches in the NBA.

They were top 4 last year with this "a** cheeks" coach.  You might as well keep going and say the 25 other teams below them last year need new coaches too. Where are all these better coaches that can all win the chip in the same year. Lol

Don't come and here and say 4 games is too small a sample size. Because it was 8 games. And they have won 5 straight before tonight. They started winning when mpj started missing games and then returned of the bench (10-4 before tonight). And your acting like if Malone input mpj in the 4Q tonight it was a win. Your reacting to a 1 games sample size 😂

Idk where the notion of him being the second best player on the team came from either. At a quick glance it's just you and nrobinson who have agreed upon that as fact in this thread 😂

But you know what your right. If mpj averaged 48minutes a game this season nuggets would be undefeated FO SHO. 

 

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Got bored and made this during halftime while watching MPJ's riveting game tonight.

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I have no stocks in this guy but he’s too good to be getting under 20mins. Plenty of worse defenders than him on better and worse teams getting way more minutes than this guy. Nuggets have zero chance winning a chip unless he’s getting minutes and digits. 

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MPJ is Denver’s second best player behind Jokic. But for some reason, Malone would rather go with Will Barton. That big win over Dallas where MPJ carried the team and scored 30pts should have been enough to warrant a return to the starting 5. Instead he’s back in Malone’s doghouse. If you do a google search on MPJ, there are several sports articles saying how MPJ is a major key to Denver’s success this year.  It’s just too bad the coach himself couldn’t see that. 

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6 minutes ago, radiohead said:

MPJ is Denver’s second best player behind Jokic. But for some reason, Malone would rather go with Will Barton. That big win over Dallas where MPJ carried the team and scored 30pts should have been enough to warrant a return to the starting 5. Instead he’s back in Malone’s doghouse. If you do a google search on MPJ, there are several sports articles saying how MPJ is a major key to Denver’s success this year.  It’s just too bad the coach himself couldn’t see that. 

I think MPJ said he didnt want to disturb the rhythm built when he was gone and make Barton come off the bench again. Noble move... but he might be stifling his own development...

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7 hours ago, TheBigSlick said:

You're telling me there's nuggets fans out there unhappy with a west semi and west finals with an incredibly young core that can still improve?

A core that started under the coach they still have now from when they were a** cheeks?

If getting deeper every year makes your fans unhappy you need better fans. Or maybe the fans can coach them to the promised land since they're all obviously got more basketball smarts then all these other coaches in the NBA.

They were top 4 last year with this "a** cheeks" coach.  You might as well keep going and say the 25 other teams below them last year need new coaches too. Where are all these better coaches that can all win the chip in the same year. Lol

Don't come and here and say 4 games is too small a sample size. Because it was 8 games. And they have won 5 straight before tonight. They started winning when mpj started missing games and then returned of the bench (10-4 before tonight). And your acting like if Malone input mpj in the 4Q tonight it was a win. Your reacting to a 1 games sample size 😂

Idk where the notion of him being the second best player on the team came from either. At a quick glance it's just you and nrobinson who have agreed upon that as fact in this thread 😂

But you know what your right. If mpj averaged 48minutes a game this season nuggets would be undefeated FO SHO. 

 

Their ceiling without Porter reaching his potential is limited in my opinion. He has an all star level talent and they need to stop punishing him for every mistake if they want him to reach that potential. We are talking KD shotmaking potential. I believe this is the only way they can become a contender and not by having Barton going wild every time he has the ball. Even when Porter is playing he is just standing around begging for the ball. The fact he takes so few shots is bad coaching decision.

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its not just about the minutes.. malone is simpy a god awful x&o coach.

when you have a guy like MPJ shooting those insane pct from all over the field, how in gods name you arent running plays for him?! i mean absolutely none. all of the points he is getting are either iso pullup jumpshots he creates for himself, off reb. putbacks or kick outs for the corner 3.

the whole offensive system (if you can call that trash a "system") is dependable on jokic creating shots. or let murray run a high p&r with the joker. and thats it.

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50 minutes ago, G.O.B. said:

its not just about the minutes.. malone is simpy a god awful x&o coach.

when you have a guy like MPJ shooting those insane pct from all over the field, how in gods name you arent running plays for him?! i mean absolutely none. all of the points he is getting are either iso pullup jumpshots he creates for himself, off reb. putbacks or kick outs for the corner 3.

the whole offensive system (if you can call that trash a "system") is dependable on jokic creating shots. or let murray run a high p&r with the joker. and thats it.

Malone's problem is typical of modern coaching where they need to prove its about them and not the players. So instead of just playing his second best player 36 minutes, he tries to be cute with his rotation so it looks like the wins are a product of his genius plan at work.

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funny you typify that as a modern coach.^^ for me he is like those old school coaches where you have to "earn" stuff and they give you "tough love". like a bullshit drill instructor. he reminds me of byron "head of the snake" scott, who rather play.. err developed ronnie price instead of d.russell. lol 😆

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22 minutes ago, nrobinson_1984 said:

Not starting again. Hope they lose. Will Barton is hot garbage.

Barton was making a big deal for not starting the beginning of the season, and based on MPJ's recent comments he sounds content being on the bench. So we're kinda screwed especially since Malone isn't playing him 28+ mins off the bench. 
Maybe barton will continue his trend of being injury prone, just maybe....

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2 minutes ago, halbounih said:

Barton was making a big deal for not starting the beginning of the season, and based on MPJ's recent comments he sounds content being on the bench. So we're kinda screwed especially since Malone isn't playing him 28+ mins off the bench. 
Maybe barton will continue his trend of being injury prone, just maybe....

fingers crossed.

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Disgusting to hope someone get injured for own fantasy purposes...

Porter seems to be very raw still. Expecting up and down from him all season long. Obviously going to feast against trash teams.

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3 minutes ago, JormaJormala said:

Disgusting to hope someone get injured for own fantasy purposes...

Porter seems to be very raw still. Expecting up and down from him all season long. Obviously going to feast against trash teams.

It was a joke lool. But barton is really injury prone so is Harris. g. Harris actually went to the locker room during the first q, that's why porter got more mins I think this first half until he picked up 3 fouls. 

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15 minutes ago, JormaJormala said:

Disgusting to hope someone get injured for own fantasy purposes...

Porter seems to be very raw still. Expecting up and down from him all season long. Obviously going to feast against trash teams.

you can expect up n down due to number of minutes fluctuating with each game but even despite all of that hes been fairly consistent (last game is an outlier but still had 9p in 19mins and was still extremely efficient plus the 2blks)

this guy with 25-28mpg constantly is still a 17-7-1-1 with 50/80/50 splits

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1 minute ago, L3onD said:

you can expect up n down due to number of minutes fluctuating with each game but even despite all of that hes been fairly consistent (last game is an outlier but still had 9p in 19mins but was still extremely efficient and had 2blks)

this guy with 25-28mpg constantly is still a 17-7-1-1 with 50/80/50 splits

Don't argue with him. He's the same guy that is salty he didn't get Keldon on his team.

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1 minute ago, brosephd said:

criminal :(

he really played bad tonight on the defensive end, was lost the whole time and had a bunch of cheap fouls

but i still dont get it how you dont run plays for him when he literally cannot miss, dude is forcing every shot and still banking 50% of them

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2 minutes ago, brosephd said:

criminal :(

Porter was in foul trouble in this one, can't blame Malone this time. Although in general, I do hate Malone for not developing his 2nd most talented player.

Gary Harris left with an adductor strain. Hopefully Porter re-enters the starting lineup while/if Harris is out for any amount of time.

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This p*ssy with another dud + no stocks, grow some balls, and demand the damn ball/playing time + be careful with fouls ffs

 

How does someone get 1 assist total in 5 games!?

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On 1/30/2021 at 8:06 AM, wideopen21 said:

Malone's problem is typical of modern coaching where they need to prove its about them and not the players. So instead of just playing his second best player 36 minutes, he tries to be cute with his rotation so it looks like the wins are a product of his genius plan at work.

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I think the MPJ numbers improve over time but seems like there’s a reason Malone has stuck with one of the best offensive lineups in the league which is also significantly better than when you replace Barton with MPJ?

On 1/30/2021 at 7:13 AM, G.O.B. said:

its not just about the minutes.. malone is simpy a god awful x&o coach.

when you have a guy like MPJ shooting those insane pct from all over the field, how in gods name you arent running plays for him?! i mean absolutely none. all of the points he is getting are either iso pullup jumpshots he creates for himself, off reb. putbacks or kick outs for the corner 3.

the whole offensive system (if you can call that trash a "system") is dependable on jokic creating shots. or let murray run a high p&r with the joker. and thats it.

Some really good discussion on this here: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL2JzbmRlbnZlci5jb20vYXJjaGl2ZXMvcG9kY2FzdHMvZGVudmVyLW51Z2dldHMtcG9kY2FzdHMvZmVlZC8/episode/NWUyZTY3NmEtNjIwNy0xMWViLWE5NzctNDM4ODkyNTQzOTQ3?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwje_Lert8fuAhWoJjQIHaK_D40QjrkEegQIFBAK&ep=6

its the first thing discussed on the pod. Adam knows the team as well as anyone and is a super smart dude. 
 

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14 minutes ago, srb said:

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I think the MPJ numbers improve over time but seems like there’s a reason Malone has stuck with one of the best offensive lineups in the league which is also significantly better than when you replace Barton with MPJ?

Some really good discussion on this here: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL2JzbmRlbnZlci5jb20vYXJjaGl2ZXMvcG9kY2FzdHMvZGVudmVyLW51Z2dldHMtcG9kY2FzdHMvZmVlZC8/episode/NWUyZTY3NmEtNjIwNy0xMWViLWE5NzctNDM4ODkyNTQzOTQ3?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwje_Lert8fuAhWoJjQIHaK_D40QjrkEegQIFBAK&ep=6

its the first thing discussed on the pod. Adam knows the team as well as anyone and is a super smart dude. 
 

Got a quick summary?

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34 minutes ago, srb said:

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I think the MPJ numbers improve over time but seems like there’s a reason Malone has stuck with one of the best offensive lineups in the league which is also significantly better than when you replace Barton with MPJ?

Some really good discussion on this here: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL2JzbmRlbnZlci5jb20vYXJjaGl2ZXMvcG9kY2FzdHMvZGVudmVyLW51Z2dldHMtcG9kY2FzdHMvZmVlZC8/episode/NWUyZTY3NmEtNjIwNy0xMWViLWE5NzctNDM4ODkyNTQzOTQ3?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwje_Lert8fuAhWoJjQIHaK_D40QjrkEegQIFBAK&ep=6

its the first thing discussed on the pod. Adam knows the team as well as anyone and is a super smart dude. 
 

Be careful dude you talk anything about how mpj isn't the second best player on the team why he should be coming of the bench and you'll get destroyed. 

And when you provide facts they fight harder without facts... 😂

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24 minutes ago, gbill2004 said:

Got a quick summary?

Basically they mostly run a read and react O and aren’t “running plays” for anyone. MPJ is still learning where to be to capitalize on that and the team (especially Jokic and Murray) are still learning to trust him.  Notes there have been noticeable improvements in Jok and Murray looking for him recently but MPJ is still learning where he’s needs to be. 

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