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I didn’t like what I saw from him in the bubble.  He has a lot of talent but I thought he was way too passive in the bubble.  Derrick White outplayed him.  I would let other owners deal with him.  He’s going to be frustrating to own.

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2 hours ago, cbsholy said:

I considering him a poor man's Ben Simmons for a punt assist build. Solid steals, pretty decent rebounding and FG% for the PG/SG slot. That's where his value lies to me.

 

His steals are what intrigues me. He's been doing it at an elite rate.

2017-2018

30-39 min: 7 gp, 2.57 spg

2019-2020

30-39 min: 12 gp, 2.42 spg

 

Now, obviously, I don't expect this pace to keep up, but also think 2 spg is not out of the question.. maybe between 1.8-2 with the amount of min he's going to play. I personally think he'll finish inside top 50 this season and targeting him somewhere in the mid rounds.

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3 hours ago, cbsholy said:

I considering him a poor man's Ben Simmons for a punt assist build. Solid steals, pretty decent rebounding and FG% for the PG/SG slot. That's where his value lies to me.

He doesn't kill your ft% like Ben does. Around 80%if I'm not mistaken 

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57 minutes ago, Em-City said:

This guy is brutal IRL, and if it weren't for his contract, is have him at 18mpg strictly as a backup to d. White

Probably true, he wasn't a lottery pick for a reason. He has flashes, but he's not a point guard and he can't shoot. Decision making is wonky. With that said, i'm still drafting him if he falls to me

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2 hours ago, Em-City said:

This guy is brutal IRL, and if it weren't for his contract, is have him at 18mpg strictly as a backup to d. White

 

1 hour ago, indigorivers said:

Probably true, he wasn't a lottery pick for a reason. He has flashes, but he's not a point guard and he can't shoot. Decision making is wonky. With that said, i'm still drafting him if he falls to me

 

You guys are right, i'm drafting Patty Mills instead. Thanks.

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3 hours ago, Em-City said:

This guy is brutal IRL, and if it weren't for his contract, is have him at 18mpg strictly as a backup to d. White

 

2 hours ago, indigorivers said:

Probably true, he wasn't a lottery pick for a reason. He has flashes, but he's not a point guard and he can't shoot. Decision making is wonky. With that said, i'm still drafting him if he falls to me

You are right and people who put him on NBA All Defensive team are wrong

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34 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

 

You are right and people who put him on NBA All Defensive team are wrong

He wasn't a lottery pick because teams were worried about him being an active gang member.

His per 36 steal rate of 2.4 steals was 4th in the NBA last year behind Kris Dunn, Matisse Thybulle, and De'Anthony Melton, and he's a lot better on offense than those guys.

For people who say he can't shoot, he shot 46 percent from the field. That's supposed to be bad for a guard?

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34 minutes ago, pushaZ said:

He wasn't a lottery pick because teams were worried about him being an active gang member.

His per 36 steal rate of 2.4 steals was 4th in the NBA last year behind Kris Dunn, Matisse Thybulle, and De'Anthony Melton, and he's a lot better on offense than those guys.

For people who say he can't shoot, he shot 46 percent from the field. That's supposed to be bad for a guard?

46% with a lack of 3’s is nothing to write home about. He lacks the ability to make jumpers on a consistent basis and has yet to show what is considered NBA range. There is a reason they have offensive struggles as it lacks spacing. Can’t run him Derozan out there and expect it to really work all that well.
 

Don’t get FG% confused with being able to shoot. For example Westbrook was at 47% last year (42% the year before) and that was largely because he stopped shooting so many 3’s/long jumpers and got closer to basket. 

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58 minutes ago, HK-47 said:

46% with a lack of 3’s is nothing to write home about. He lacks the ability to make jumpers on a consistent basis and has yet to show what is considered NBA range. There is a reason they have offensive struggles as it lacks spacing. Can’t run him Derozan out there and expect it to really work all that well.
 

Don’t get FG% confused with being able to shoot. For example Westbrook was at 47% last year (42% the year before) and that was largely because he stopped shooting so many 3’s/long jumpers and got closer to basket. 

I completely agree with you my man but i believe the point was more based in fantasy terms. 46% for a guard in fantasy is a fantastic number so i think he meant more that he is a good shooter in fantasy, kinda same deal as derozan i guess. (not comparing them at all haha)

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23 minutes ago, PaddyAustralia said:

I completely agree with you my man but i believe the point was more based in fantasy terms. 46% for a guard in fantasy is a fantastic number so i think he meant more that he is a good shooter in fantasy, kinda same deal as derozan i guess. (not comparing them at all haha)

Maybe he was but he made the statement in regards to people saying he can’t shoot. 

Right 46% is nice for a guard, generally speaking, my main point was that doesn’t mean he can shoot. 

 

 

 

 

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On 12/12/2020 at 7:34 AM, justaguy said:

Got him at 67, even though I had already drafted Fox and Curry in earlier rounds. I think he will be quite the "steal"!

I got him at 69, but I don't think it is a steal, because he belongs somewhere to 6th round. My purposes to draft exactly him was that I early drafted some bigs and I needed steals. Also my team looked like punt-points-team and then also Murray is more useful.

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He doesnt look improved. Rather regressed a bit. Decision making is off, clearly not a PG. Maybe more of a Dunn than what we'd like to see. I can see the Spurs move him to the bench in favor of a White/Vassell pairing if the way these guys played last night was any indication. 

 

The Vassell / Keldon pairing on the wing could be crazy.

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26 minutes ago, RipCity0 said:

He doesn't look improved based on a preseason game? Murray will be fine.

He doesn't look improved over the past year. To qualify what I said as a hot take is silly - you two are hot taking about hot takes, lmao. 

Murray is a really good defender (I would love to see him, White, Keldon and Vassell on the court vs a small ball team sometime) and pretty limited otherwise. Still doesn't run an offense well, still can't shoot (bad combo with DD and Poeltl in starting line up, although LMA looked like he felt comfortable shooting that three), was looking for his own shot too much and still had a lot of trouble finishing inside. Same story we've seen for a long time now, and I didnt see any flashes of things that point to him becoming anything otherwise - unless you consider him pressing the issue looking for his own offense too much as something good. The only thing I liked was that he looked quicker. Good first step, which is great to see after his injury. Zero indications otherwise of him being more than what we have seen the past year. Spurs are forcing him into a role which he'll never be comfortable in. 

Murray will be fine, as a very good defensive roleplayer, but will be hard pressed to run a team successfully unless he is surrounded by great shooters. 

 

 

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I live in Europe and have not seen recently Spurs games, but I am surprised that here much people advertised White/Murray combo as the best for Spurs, but now quite experienced specialist as Perkinsfor3 is, said otherwise. How you can see games so different way?

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29 minutes ago, apatas said:

I live in Europe and have not seen recently Spurs games, but I am surprised that here much people advertised White/Murray combo as the best for Spurs, but now quite experienced specialist as Perkinsfor3 is, said otherwise. How you can see games so different way?

Not a specialist, but I think a lot of people who watch Spurs games... like Spurs fans, are looking/waiting for more improvements from Murray as well. I was a big fan of his upside when he got drafted, but had been hoping for more improvement, even with the ACL injury. 

I think Murray will continue to start as the Spurs/Pop is sort of conservative with his rotations, even when there 2as some talk about them playing more uptempo this season (heck, his starting five for this first preseason game would've been considered slow in 2000). But I don't think Murray will finish most games. He isn't good enough a ballhandler and distributor to do so, especially since his scoring doesn't alleviate that pain. I would love to see him develop more so he can stay on the court beyond stricktly defensive purposes in late game situations. 

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1 hour ago, perkinsfor3 said:

He doesn't look improved over the past year. To qualify what I said as a hot take is silly - you two are hot taking about hot takes, lmao. 

Murray is a really good defender (I would love to see him, White, Keldon and Vassell on the court vs a small ball team sometime) and pretty limited otherwise. Still doesn't run an offense well, still can't shoot (bad combo with DD and Poeltl in starting line up, although LMA looked like he felt comfortable shooting that three), was looking for his own shot too much and still had a lot of trouble finishing inside. Same story we've seen for a long time now, and I didnt see any flashes of things that point to him becoming anything otherwise - unless you consider him pressing the issue looking for his own offense too much as something good. The only thing I liked was that he looked quicker. Good first step, which is great to see after his injury. Zero indications otherwise of him being more than what we have seen the past year. Spurs are forcing him into a role which he'll never be comfortable in. 

Murray will be fine, as a very good defensive roleplayer, but will be hard pressed to run a team successfully unless he is surrounded by great shooters. 

 

 

 

First of all what is my hot take? That i said you judged him in a preseason game? Last year was his first after an ACL tear, he did good for such an injury. He greatly improved his midrange game and his free throw shooting. yes he is not a good playmaker and 3pt shooter but they don't need him to be if Derrick White takes that role. Dejounte is an amazing defender and rebounder and good as a secondary ballhandler. He will be very valuable to the Spurs.

 

Below numbers are a trend in right direction

2017/18

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2019/20

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