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1 hour ago, jordan62345 said:

No one considered about the fact that Noel got more mins?

I'm worried about his game in the last couple of weeks. 
Jordan was more valuable for me at that period of time and even Zubac...

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On the plus side - with thibs he might actually get 30+ minutes  On the negative side - he will probably foul out in 15 minutes 

Is this the mitchell robinson thread?

Bruh, I literally went to get a snack and he was gone.

Knicks have one of the best defenses in the league and Mitch is a big reason why

For the amount of blocks Noel has he has double the amount of plays where he has no clue where he needs to be on defense. By that same token Mitch low key is turning into a better basketball player. It's no coincidence as his foul rate has gone down so has his block numbers 

I'd be more worried about his new style of play than Noel

I'd almost rather Mitch come off the bench and play like the old Mitch than this neutered (better improved basketball player) Mitch lol

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Last night was one of those games where the Knicks lacked energy all game and their bench brought them back from a deficit (8 points) in the late third so Thibs stayed w it in the 4th 

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its quite ironic isnt it, after all these years its been "if only he stayed out of foul trouble/got more mins then he'd be a beast" and then he finally does both and his stats go the other way. seems to work better in shorter bursts high energy roles

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The reduced blocks are because of Thibs. I guess Thibs told him to go less for blocks and just challenge the shot. Thus, he tries to block less shots, gets less fouls and increases his playing time. Bad for fantasy, but good for the team, as they have the best defense under Thibs. 

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On 2/7/2021 at 1:50 PM, ovofnd said:

Dude has been hot trash for a minute now. The only player whose production moves inverse to his playing time lol. The more minutes he gets, the less he blocks...?

Beg Thibs to only play him 1 minute. If he is getting 2 blocks per 36 his inverse relationship should mean he gets 18 blocks per minute. 

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welp...this guy turned out to be as disappointing as we all thought he would be.  so big yet so little boards and blks..

Seriously, what is this guy's aversion to grabbing boards.  He's a the box out king.  He hates jumping or something.

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He's been on a downward trajectory ever since he tweeted that he wanted to be freed offensively (since deleted). 

Looks like he is back to the old headcase that changed 5 agents already.

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16 minutes ago, rob0403 said:

He's been on a downward trajectory ever since he tweeted that he wanted to be freed offensively (since deleted). 

Looks like he is back to the old headcase that changed 5 agents already.

I'm not his therapist I don't care about his trajectory, as long as he's getting his 8 boards and 3-4 stocks a game, I'm happy.

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Say all you want, but I'm happy to take 7 boards, 3 steals and 1 block, while not hurting in any of FG, FT, AST or TOV. Yes, he is hurting in PTS and 3PTS. 

Sure, not the best of games, and he is not a top 20-30-40-50. But he is still solid, fantasy wise. 

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2 minutes ago, sgergole said:

Sure, not the best of games, and he is not a top 20-30-40-50. But he is still solid, fantasy wise. 

Maybe it's a lot different in my 10-cat that counts OREB but he's currently ranked #8 overall in my league...

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18 minutes ago, alexstr said:

Maybe it's a lot different in my 10-cat that counts OREB but he's currently ranked #8 overall in my league...

that seems odd.. So he is worth...Beal or Lillard?  

I mean: pts, 3pts, ft and assists are below decency... The other categories are good, in particular the blocks, but that's it... 

I mean, he isnt very different from a Poeltl. Or a Plumlee, who gives extra assists in exchange for higher turnovers... 

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This line is low key nice I'm not mad about it at all. Haven't really watched any Knicks this year but i feel like one of the problems might be the atrocious ball handlers they have on the roster. Put Mitch with a good PG and he could average an easy 12 ppg from lobs. Hopefully at some point things start to click and he can really take off but he is still top 60 as it currently stands.

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6 hours ago, XOB said:

This line is low key nice I'm not mad about it at all. Haven't really watched any Knicks this year but i feel like one of the problems might be the atrocious ball handlers they have on the roster. Put Mitch with a good PG and he could average an easy 12 ppg from lobs. Hopefully at some point things start to click and he can really take off but he is still top 60 as it currently stands.

I don’t think this is the issue. Thibs isn’t really using Mitch as a lob threat and I don’t see how he’ll get 12PPG on 8.2 USG as he was getting this week.

In fact, for 9-cat league purposes, I could care less if he averages 6PPG going forward as long as he’s getting 8RPG and a combined 3-3.5 defensive stats with sub-1.0 TOs. The latter end of that defensive production could push him within the top 40 (eg 1.3 SPG + 2.2 BPG). 

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1 hour ago, ovofnd said:

I don’t think this is the issue. Thibs isn’t really using Mitch as a lob threat and I don’t see how he’ll get 12PPG on 8.2 USG as he was getting this week.

In fact, for 9-cat league purposes, I could care less if he averages 6PPG going forward as long as he’s getting 8RPG and a combined 3-3.5 defensive stats with sub-1.0 TOs. The latter end of that defensive production could push him within the top 40 (eg 1.3 SPG + 2.2 BPG). 

I think we can all agree that he is not being used as a lob threat I think he could be a pretty good one though. I definitely agree that more defensive stats would be nice.

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He is a steady 1-2 blocks guy but I expected more monster games with 4-5 blocks, considering the fact he is playing like 30 minutes on most nights. He should average 2- 2.5 blocks per game as a block specialist. 

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3 hours ago, Totasef said:

Also his ranking is way higher than it really is, because the Knicks played 26 games and he is yet to miss a game. You have many good players ranked lower because of the fewer games played

 1) The fact that he plays every game is a positive, especially since his main cats are also the rarest ones (stls blocks)

2) Even by average he's ranked #28 in my 10-cat (disclaimer: we count OREB)

3) I think there's a lot of unconscious bias valuing PTS/3s over STL/BLK which is permeating in this thead

For roto and cat leagues, he fact that he's a plus in STL and BLK (the rarest categories), league-average at REB, and a small plus at FG% without hurting you anywhere else is big.

Compare that to a guy like Donovan Mitchell, who hurts you in FG% and TO, is a plus in two cats (PTS/Threes, which are common), and a small plus in one (assists).  I don't see a HUGE difference. 

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17 hours ago, DonutGiveUp said:

How was he better off the bench in less minutes? Absolute garbage 

His play this year has been far superior of what we've seen from him in the past, but it's worse for fantasy. He has taken a great leap defensively this year under Thibs, but it also means playing less aggressive (and less gambling on blocks). Offensively he's still a non-factor, so I really don't expect him to do much better (fantasy wise) than this. The rebounding could improve if it weren't for Randle.

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