Stefan 1,083 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Could be quite decent at the right price Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 He should be gone by 60th overall pick at the latest. Starting SF for Raptors with no competition for minutes, can play SF/PF/ small ball C with fantasy friendly game. Ranked 65 in standard H2H 9-cat for the season ( 24th last 20 games). Top-50 flor imo. As Raptor's fan I am hoping for a Siakam 2.0 breakout season 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob0403 1,088 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Yeah I think he is going to get a bit more involved on offense, which is all he needs. Lowry carried us in the playoffs but we need to take pressure off him. Centers are gone. A great opportunity for OG to be 4th option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Espoiral 452 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Struggling to pick between him or Mikal Bridges around that range. OG usually goes off the board first but around the 6th-7th round but would it be more wise to wait for a similar player in Mikal Bridges in the 8th-9th rounds this year? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DonutGiveUp 1,508 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Espoiral said: Struggling to pick between him or Mikal Bridges around that range. OG usually goes off the board first but around the 6th-7th round but would it be more wise to wait for a similar player in Mikal Bridges in the 8th-9th rounds this year? OG the much better pick. Less competition and better opportunities. I expect the rebounding to go up alone with the scoring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 1,829 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 How is OG's situation much different than last year? His stats were all over the place, and he was dropppable mid-season. He was a headache to roster, and I rostered him. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
justaguy 269 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Just now, hornrimmed_rambis said: How is OG's situation much different than last year? His stats were all over the place, and he was dropppable mid-season. He was a headache to roster, and I rostered him. I think he earned a greater role with his playoff run and Nick finally unleashing small ball with him at the 5. He will get more responsibility on the offensive side of the ball with the increased trust of his team and coaches, meanwhile playing C will boost his defensive stats (look at what John Collins did moving from pf to C last year). Not expecting that kind of jump but playing C can increase your value significantly 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 1,829 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, justaguy said: I think he earned a greater role with his playoff run and Nick finally unleashing small ball with him at the 5. He will get more responsibility on the offensive side of the ball with the increased trust of his team and coaches, meanwhile playing C will boost his defensive stats (look at what John Collins did moving from pf to C last year). Not expecting that kind of jump but playing C can increase your value significantly Interesting idea. Maybe there is something there. But the data is VERY limited. Here's his playoff line: 10.5 pts, 6.9 rebs, 1.5 3pm, 1 stl, 1.2 blks Those stocks look sexy, but if you plug this line into a ranking, it comes to about 90th. As for the C role, he played about 10% of playoff minutes at C, with either Ibaka or Gasol in the lineup for the other 90%. In the lineups where the traditional Cs were not in, he did excel, but that is a very limited sample of 36 MINUTES over 11 games. So if the logic is that he will play more minutes at C, I mean maybe, but it sounds super speculative. Yes, Gasol and Ibaka are gone, but Boucher and Baynes exist. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 In simple terms: Siakam, FVV and OG are the future. OG will play as much as he can handle. And regular season is very different from the playoffs. You don't play 70% of your games against Boston. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkpotato 1,114 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said: Interesting idea. Maybe there is something there. But the data is VERY limited. Here's his playoff line: 10.5 pts, 6.9 rebs, 1.5 3pm, 1 stl, 1.2 blks Those stocks look sexy, but if you plug this line into a ranking, it comes to about 90th. As for the C role, he played about 10% of playoff minutes at C, with either Ibaka or Gasol in the lineup for the other 90%. In the lineups where the traditional Cs were not in, he did excel, but that is a very limited sample of 36 MINUTES over 11 games. So if the logic is that he will play more minutes at C, I mean maybe, but it sounds super speculative. Yes, Gasol and Ibaka are gone, but Boucher and Baynes exist. I think they really unearthed the small lineup when they played against Boston in the playoffs. It actually worked and was really effective. Switches became much less of problem for them and everybody in the lineup was able to quickly recover on their man. We will most likely see more of these small ball lineups by default with Baynes being very brittle and Boucher still a bit raw - I still think Nurse doesn't trust Boucher and he'll be in a timeshare with Len/Siakam/OG with Baynes getting bulk of the minutes at C. With all that being said, I'm expecting a pretty big year from OG with him flirting in the top 50.. producing a Covington type line. Edited December 5, 2020 by sharkpotato 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,742 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 The end-of-season rank — whatever it was, top 90, top 70, idk — looks good on paper. But, boy, with a 14% USG it sure is a painful ride. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedRaider27 531 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 The stocks are really nice. I think we expected a breakout last year but we drafted him a year too early. I’m in on him again this year and I could definitely see a big jump for him. Just nabbed him in a startup dynasty league and am very happy. I think he will be very good or maybe even (hopefully) great for a long time. Like Gile said above, Siakam, FVV and OG are the future for Toronto. They’re gonna get minutes. Nurse is a good coach and Toronto knows how to develop players. I’m in for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
My Dinner With Andre 5,742 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 On the other hand he's just a slightly better version of PJ Tucker, statwise. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
perkinsfor3 432 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 hours ago, My Dinner With Andre said: On the other hand he's just a slightly better version of PJ Tucker, statwise. He cpuld be much like Tucker where his real life value eclipses fantasy value. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrandGourou 225 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 6 hours ago, hornrimmed_rambis said: he was dropppable mid-season. I dropped him after a succession of 0pts 4rbds 1 3pt 1st lines. His ability to disappear by sequences scares me highly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stefan 1,083 Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 7 hours ago, DonutGiveUp said: OG the much better pick. Less competition and better opportunities. I expect the rebounding to go up alone with the scoring I dont know man. Mikal's in a great spot too. No Oubre this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
apatas 434 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) TOP50 is way too optimistic. His usage in attack is very low, Raptors has many good shooters. I remember he decided one game against Celtics, but still I am doubtful can he finish in TOP75 as he did in last season? I looked what players I have in my prerank 7th round and they all look better than OG. Like topic starter said: could be decent at the right price, but what is his price? Edited December 5, 2020 by apatas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob0403 1,088 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 You have to understand how the Raptors situation plays to OG and Boucher. We lost Kawhi and now in this Bubble we see the East get much better. Miami, Bos, Mil have higher ceilings than we do. Now we lost Ibaka and Gasol, defensive mainstays. We are going to need to maximize our talent pool to stay relevant this year. Our best player is well into his 30's. Nurse is one to try new things and he is forced to see what he can get out of OG and Boucher. Or our chances are slim. Defensively OG works well already. Offensively, I won't be surprised to see him get more touches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aMediumPace 291 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 5 hours ago, GrandGourou said: I dropped him after a succession of 0pts 4rbds 1 3pt 1st lines. His ability to disappear by sequences scares me highly. If he hit 1 3pt and still had 0 pts , I'd drop him too. 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrandGourou 225 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, aMediumPace said: If he hit 1 3pt and still had 0 pts , I'd drop him too. Yeah, couldn't edit my post after submit, shame on me for this crap. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tazdingo 363 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I dunno, I kinda like his situation better than someone who plays a similar spot like Mikal Bridges (though I'm also high on Mikal) just coz the team is running out of options on offense and he's starting to come along nicely just like how Pascal came along. He's been going in the 7th round & that seems fine for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkpotato 1,114 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 12 hours ago, My Dinner With Andre said: The end-of-season rank — whatever it was, top 90, top 70, idk — looks good on paper. But, boy, with a 14% USG it sure is a painful ride. OG is the kind of player that doesn't need a whole lot of USG to produce good fantasy numbers. If he can get to 15-19% like Covy he should be great. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gile Pile 1,206 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Think about it this way: for a season with usage rate of 14.3% he was 70th in 9 cat H2H leagues. For comparison Ibaka was 97th with 24% usage. And from Feb 1 until the end of season OG was ranked 24th with the usage rate of ..... wait for it..... 12.7%. He does not need usage to have value. His minutes are guaranteed and with Ibaka and Gasol gone his usage can only go up 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob0403 1,088 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 You just need to have scoring on your team if you compete H2H for insurance. But he's not that far off from an average 3D guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbsholy 660 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I'm punting points and considered this guy a must have. I dont care if he never scores a point this season, that's not where his value is for me. Of course, I can see why that would be a concern if you're not punting points, but as others have mentioned itll be almost impossible for his usage to not go up considering the roster moves Toronto has made. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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