Johnnyapplebot 1,544 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 im just afraid i pick him up he gets 5 minutes next game... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t0087669 142 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 What’s the ceiling for him in a dynasty league? Top 50? Payton is UFA next year Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heavy_Jon 210 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Dropped him a week ago in 2 leagues, in one of them he was immediately picked up, but after another perfonce like this I had to pick him up again (dropped Darius Bazley). Portland defence isn't that soft, Dame isn't playing with his twin (CJ) and they boast some good perimeter defenders, like RoCo (who can't make a bucket to save his life) DJJ and Rodney Hood. Going 8/8 from the stripe and sunking five 3s in team desperate for outside shooting... Very very impressive! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedDogNamedClippers 2,361 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I was called clueless for holding this guy. I guess it does rain in Southern California. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,558 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 solid 12 team avg's this week 14/2/2 2 threes 0 steals 0.8 blks 40/93 175 overall. that upside sure worth holding onto when you can be winning extra cats streaming ha 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MWon 1,729 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Man, I've added and dropped this guy so many times. Gonna have to do it yet another time. Some things I've noticed watching his games: Pros: His shot, esp from range, looks really weird. He shoots sorta like Kendall Marshall (if you remember him and Vasquez from the "this guy is gonna win me assists from the wire" fantasy days), or K-Mart, with a low release almost like a high schooler, but it goes in. Seems fairly engaged to pass and play defense, which is nice. Of course, FT% is a plus, and he doesn't turn over the ball much. Cons: He REALLY likes that Mike Conley push floater. I've never seen it be that effective or consistent of a weapon, and I think his insistence on it drops his FG%. I'd honestly prefer him to get to the rack more and absorb contact for those FT attempts. Since he's a rookie, he does make some stupid decisions occasionally, but that's fine. And obv Thibs isn't gonna let Payton/Rivers/Burks lose minutes too often, so that's a bummer. Wouldn't mind seeing more stls from him too. Overall, I'm rooting for him, and I think he's the one Knick for a while now about whom I've been fairly excited to build upon for the future. Though he might go back to being a pumpkin with like, 15 minutes against the defensive minded Jazz, it's still an auspicious game for him. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MilesBridgesBetterThanZion 288 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 If he can somehow manage to put on a show against spida off the bench he'll be a lock to start the next game, fingers crossed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MWon 1,729 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, MilesBridgesBetterThanZion said: If he can somehow manage to put on a show against spida off the bench he'll be a lock to start the next game, fingers crossed. More likely it'd be Clarkson or something off the bench, but if he schools D Mitch (or Conley if available), I'd be more than thrilled. I'd imagine D Mitch is a better defender than Clarkson anyway. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Amendola96 28 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Faith! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rabaak 378 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Looked pretty good last night. 24 min. Anybody watch the game. PTS REB AST FG 3PT FT PF MIN STL BLK TO +/- FPTS I. Quickley 31 3 4 9/18 5/8 8/8 3 24 0 0 1 +2 41 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rush007 332 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, rabaak said: Looked pretty good last night. 24 min. Anybody watch the game. PTS REB AST FG 3PT FT PF MIN STL BLK TO +/- FPTS I. Quickley 31 3 4 9/18 5/8 8/8 3 24 0 0 1 +2 41 He was really good. Played the entire Q4, team relied on him to make plays at clutch time. He made mostly good, some bad decisions, made important free throws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RAGINGROOSTER 205 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Don't worry, Thibs will be rolling with Payton again and again and again and again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NoHablaIngles 496 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This guy is star in the making. Thibs' weird rotations are the only thing in his way.... but he did close the game out yesterday so maybe thibs is realizing quickley is the teams best guard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rabaak 378 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 25 minutes ago, RAGINGROOSTER said: Don't worry, Thibs will be rolling with Payton again and again and again and again. I had my fill of Thibs when he was with the Wolves. Hopefully he doesn't have the reins as GM like he did with Minn. Players that don't buy into the Thibs way of playing got run out of town with the Wolves. Rubio, Lavine, Dunn, Markkanen (Chicago used the wolves draft choice on Markkanen) left and were replaced by J. Teague and Chicago Bulls North (Deng, Taj Gibson and D. Rose). (D. Rose was good, but Thibs ran him into the ground). And people wonder why the wolves have been so bad. Hopefully Thibs can't purge the Knicks of players who don't listen to him or get tired on his insane practices/workload. It would be nice to have a coach adapt his system to fit the strengths of his players. Put your players in a position to succeed. That ain't Thibs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrCantaloupe 569 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, t0087669 said: What’s the ceiling for him in a dynasty league? Top 50? Payton is UFA next year I'm unsure what it means to have a top 50 ceiling? Does this mean his statistical profile limits him from breaking into the top 50, or could it mean that his best season will fall within the top 50? The wording doesn't seem to make any sense. Maybe you're asking if he has top 50 potential? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
reverb 105 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Watched the game. He needs minutes to really get into the flow of the game. Thibs mentioned no line up is static right now. IQ is easily the better PG over Payton, which isn't an unknown fact, I know. IQ can drive+score, dish, and hit the 3 much better than Payton ever will. However, with Thibs being defensive-minded, he opts to go with Payton because he can defend better. However, the offense becomes stagnant with Payton in. He can't create for others or himself, can't shoot, and continues to chuck up 3s just because he's open. It looks like they're not even running a play the majority of the time. Teams are starting to run zone defense on the Knicks and they seriously have no idea what to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrCantaloupe 569 Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 9 minutes ago, rabaak said: I had my fill of Thibs when he was with the Wolves. Hopefully he doesn't have the reins as GM like he did with Minn. Players that don't buy into the Thibs way of playing got run out of town with the Wolves. Rubio, Lavine, Dunn, Markkanen (Chicago used the wolves draft choice on Markkanen) left and were replaced by J. Teague and Chicago Bulls North (Deng, Taj Gibson and D. Rose). (D. Rose was good, but Thibs ran him into the ground). And people wonder why the wolves have been so bad. Hopefully Thibs can't purge the Knicks of players who don't listen to him or get tired on his insane practices/workload. It would be nice to have a coach adapt his system to fit the strengths of his players. Put your players in a position to succeed. That ain't Thibs. This is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen. I know you mentioned the Bulls draft of Markkanen, but why even list him in a list of players Thibs supposedly "ran out of town" when he never actually played for the team? Why no mention of the fact they got Jimmy freakin Butler in that deal? Thibs brought your trash franchise to the playoffs with a .573 winning percentage in only his second year, and y'all ran HIM out of town the following year and gave his job to an unproven kid because of his last name. Thibs didn't draft Rubio and Jonny Flynn over Steph Curry. He didn't trade for Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett. He didn't draft and fail to develop Jarrett Culver. He didn't draft Anthony Edwards. He's not the reason Towns refuses to play defense. In his first year with a flawed NY roster, he has the team in good position to make the playoffs. He's a national treasure and all he does is win. Show the man some respect. 4 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rabaak 378 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I look at getting Jimmy Butler in the deal as a detriment. He did a much damage to the wolves as Tom did with his player moves This article sums up the Tom Thibodeau stay at any franchise: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/5/28/21273402/tom-thibodeau-knicks-coaching-rumors This pretty much sums it up a coach who cares about winning above all else, and a coach who runs his players into the ground. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnnyapplebot 1,544 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Tom Thibodeau said he likes having Immanuel Quickley work with the second unit. Quickley went off for 31 points in just 24 minutes off the bench on Sunday as he helped the Knicks overcome a 20-point deficit and get within striking distance, but because he's a rookie, he'll remain in the reserve role under Tom Thibodeau. The fact that IQ finished Sunday's game with a team-high plus/minus rating of plus-2, compared to starter Elfrid Payton's plus/minus of minus-5, is irrelevant to Thibs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hornrimmed_rambis 2,082 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 15 hours ago, MWon said: Cons: He REALLY likes that Mike Conley push floater. I've never seen it be that effective or consistent of a weapon, and I think his insistence on it drops his FG%. I'd honestly prefer him to get to the rack more and absorb contact for those FT attempts. I noticed this also. Even Clyde commented on it during the last game. Interestingly, that shot really helps when he plays with Mitch, because it looks just like a lob, and allows IQ to decide whether to try the lob late into his move. So it could help IQ play alongside Mitch. Crossing fingers on this. Overall, this is going to be a bumpy ride, but I'd like be holding when IQ finally starts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
claptondecheeks 1,007 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 If anyone puts Payton on the bench, wouldn’t it be Burks? I thought he played point the last couple of years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedDogNamedClippers 2,361 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, claptondecheeks said: If anyone puts Payton on the bench, wouldn’t it be Burks? I thought he played point the last couple of years. False. He has received the majority of his minutes the last three years at either SG or SF. Highest percentage he had at PG was 8% and that was last year with the depleted Warriors. Now this year he is at 12% at PG with the Knicks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MWon 1,729 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, hornrimmed_rambis said: I noticed this also. Even Clyde commented on it during the last game. Interestingly, that shot really helps when he plays with Mitch, because it looks just like a lob, and allows IQ to decide whether to try the lob late into his move. So it could help IQ play alongside Mitch. Crossing fingers on this. Overall, this is going to be a bumpy ride, but I'd like be holding when IQ finally starts. Ah, that's an excellent observation. Never thought about it like that. Mitch would be the perfect lob candidate as well, so that floater could possibly allow IQ to get further into the paint and make his shot success slightly higher. WHEN? Heh, I suspect the law of averages for the Knicks will play out and they'll start to falter eventually, but Thibs ... he's a stubborn coach for rooks. I could see him playing down all of his other guys until they break. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
knaw46 14 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/22/2021 at 5:14 PM, RingMyBell said: I made this mistake with Lu Dort 🙄 Good example how up and down some players are that you pick up off the waiver wire, and how the perception of their "value" can change very quickly. Dort had some value after his hot start at the beginning of the season. Then he fell off and became waiver wire fodder. Recently he had 3 straight 20 point games, including a 6 steal effort. He has some value again, right? He's scored 7 and 4 points the last 2 games. Quickley's been a little bit the same recently. But hopefully at some point he can break out for good. There's just no guarantee when that will be, especially if they trade for Derrick Rose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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