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Just to be clear, I own him nowhere except a deep NL only where I took a flyer on him and would be thrilled to get a dozen combined HRs and steals from him, but I suspect anyone who owned him fell victim to the "shiny new toy" mentality. Sometimes even adults need to be told to put away their toys when they aren't helping. 

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25 minutes ago, Richard Kimble said:

Just to be clear, I own him nowhere except a deep NL only where I took a flyer on him and would be thrilled to get a dozen combined HRs and steals from him, but I suspect anyone who owned him fell victim to the "shiny new toy" mentality. Sometimes even adults need to be told to put away their toys when they aren't helping. 

His ADP was 235.8 which isn't really flyer territory.  The ZiPS projection system had him as a really good fantasy player.  Projection systems are usually pretty conservative.  It probably is more difficult to project a player coming from the KBO but I would say he is underperforming.

 

ZiPS Projection – Ha-seong Kim
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2021 .274 .343 .477 503 80 138 29 2 23 82 51 95 17 117 0 3.8
2022 .273 .344 .482 494 80 135 30 2 23 83 51 97 15 118 0 3.8
2023 .271 .344 .492 490 80 133 30 3 24 83 52 100 16 121 0 3.9
2024 .270 .344 .490 478 78 129 29 2 24 82 52 97 15 120 -1 3.7
2025 .270 .343 .490 467 76 126 28 3 23 80 50 91 15 120 -2 3.5
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42 minutes ago, Richard Kimble said:

Just to be clear, I own him nowhere except a deep NL only where I took a flyer on him and would be thrilled to get a dozen combined HRs and steals from him, but I suspect anyone who owned him fell victim to the "shiny new toy" mentality. Sometimes even adults need to be told to put away their toys when they aren't helping. 

Didn't mean to come across as argumentative my previous post.  I was just saying his ADP probably was fair.

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Not at all, it's just an Internet conversation, and he's just a clear cut case. I'm sure most early drafters didn't regard him as a flyer but an upside bench ticket. Any player who has yet to prove he's not the guy, in any fantasy sport, has some appeal to a certain type of owner.  You might have been forgiven to hold him to this point, too, after Tatis Jr.'s injury. Its also interesting to compare who he may have been drafted over, I am sure some people took him over McMahon, Hampson or India, overlooking his lack of opportunity, for what is perceived upside. I agree he is better than this, too, but this is commonplace when a hitter doesn't get good run to get in the groove. 

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On 4/18/2021 at 2:49 PM, B&F said:

His ADP was 235.8 which isn't really flyer territory.  The ZiPS projection system had him as a really good fantasy player.  Projection systems are usually pretty conservative.  It probably is more difficult to project a player coming from the KBO but I would say he is underperforming.

 

ZiPS Projection – Ha-seong Kim
Year BA OBP SLG AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB OPS+ DR WAR
2021 .274 .343 .477 503 80 138 29 2 23 82 51 95 17 117 0 3.8
2022 .273 .344 .482 494 80 135 30 2 23 83 51 97 15 118 0 3.8
2023 .271 .344 .492 490 80 133 30 3 24 83 52 100 16 121 0 3.9
2024 .270 .344 .490 478 78 129 29 2 24 82 52 97 15 120 -1 3.7
2025 .270 .343 .490 467 76 126 28 3 23 80 50 91 15 120 -2 3.5

I think that was also assuming he was actually going to play when they signed him.  But there is clearly no doubt he has no spot over Cronenworth or even Profar

 

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