2ndCitySox 4,456 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 A comparison of Steamer projections for three second baseman. Player A: .277/.336/.482 26 HR, 87 R, 84 RBI, 13 SB Player B: .287/.353/.474 21 HR, 90 R, 79 RBI, 7 SB Player C .280/.347/.453 22 HR, 93 R, 82 RBI, 11 SB Player A has an ADP of 31 Player B has an ADP of 78 Player C has an ADP of 113 If you haven't guessed these mystery men yet, A is Albies, B is Ketel Marte, C is Altuve. The trash can discount is real! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2ndCitySox 4,456 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 ^ the ADP delta is likely due to upside / age more than anything. If you think Albies can hit another level then he's worth that ADP. If you are bearish on him, then you can wait it out and grab Altuve. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
En Votto Veritas 498 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Huge value to be had here. Altuve is another guy I will be targeting heavily should his ADP remain anywhere near it's current #105. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B&F 883 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Why exactly is his ADP so low? Didn't he have a strong 2nd half? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turner46 843 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/22/2021 at 8:46 AM, 2ndCitySox said: ^ the ADP delta is likely due to upside / age more than anything. If you think Albies can hit another level then he's worth that ADP. If you are bearish on him, then you can wait it out and grab Altuve. Last year in a weird year health wise (weird year in general which very well can be the case again) Albies was on a 150 game pace of 30 HR and 15 SB, his postseason pace would be 25 HR and 25 SB, at just 24 years old and at a position that I currently don't view as deep personally I'm buying Albies. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2ndCitySox 4,456 Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, turner46 said: Last year in a weird year health wise (weird year in general which very well can be the case again) Albies was on a 150 game pace of 30 HR and 15 SB, his postseason pace would be 25 HR and 25 SB, at just 24 years old and at a position that I currently don't view as deep personally I'm buying Albies. Yes 2B is not deep at all IMO 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
En Votto Veritas 498 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 35 minutes ago, turner46 said: Last year in a weird year health wise (weird year in general which very well can be the case again) Albies was on a 150 game pace of 30 HR and 15 SB, his postseason pace would be 25 HR and 25 SB, at just 24 years old and at a position that I currently don't view as deep personally I'm buying Albies. Yeah but it's not one for one, is it? Draft value is fluid and fundamentally comparative. By this I mean it's not about "who would you rather have: Albies/Altuve." On the contrary, it's about who would you rather have at their price and who are you leaving behind. So would you rather have Albies/Bohm or Arenado/Altuve? Albies/Swanson or Seager/Altuve? Albies/Moore or Tucker/Altuve? Albies/Goldy or DJL/Altuve? I don't think the OP was saying Altuve will outperform Albies, but given what you can get at Albies' price (Arenado/Seager/Tucker/DJL), Altuve seems comparatively more valuable. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
turner46 843 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 minutes ago, En Votto Veritas said: Yeah but it's not one for one, is it? Draft value is fluid and fundamentally comparative. By this I mean it's not about "who would you rather have: Albies/Altuve." On the contrary, it's about who would you rather have at their price and who are you leaving behind. So would you rather have Albies/Bohm or Arenado/Altuve? Albies/Swanson or Seager/Altuve? Albies/Moore or Tucker/Altuve? Albies/Goldy or DJL/Altuve? I don't think the OP was saying Altuve will outperform Albies, but given what you can get at Albies' price (Arenado/Seager/Tucker/DJL), Altuve seems comparatively more valuable. I agree with you in theory but I personally will take Albies in round 3 then at 3B will be happy with ideally 2 of Donaldson, JD Davis, Turner, Mcmahon (if the league is deep and can use him at coors) etc... In the 2b and 1b 2 vs 2 I persoanlly have many targets at 1B as well late Hosmer, Bell, Mancini, Mountcastle, Sano the aforementioned Mcmahon etc... In your SS and OF 2 vs 2 I prefer the Altuve sides but how I view SS and OF I am attacking them early with 5 category studs then hoping to get lucky with mashers at the corners late. My question to you is what if multiple owners are thinking like you and plan A Altuve goes and the other guy mentioned above Ketel Marte is likely gone before Altive then do you have plan C or D etc...??? In closing I agree Altuve is the better value but with how I currently view the player pool and how I currently like to construct my roster he is not someone I am looking to plan my draft around. If I missed on Albies and in round 9 or 10 Altuve is there and I don't have a 2b then great but if I pass on Albies to get Altuve and he gets sniped in round 8 I currently don't have many if any late 2b targets that I like outside Madrigal and Hampson but those fit onto teams with a surplus of power where I generally aim to acquire power later. Hope this rambling makes sense. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
En Votto Veritas 498 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 26 minutes ago, turner46 said: My question to you is what if multiple owners are thinking like you and plan A Altuve goes and the other guy mentioned above Ketel Marte is likely gone before Altive then do you have plan C or D etc...??? In closing I agree Altuve is the better value but with how I currently view the player pool and how I currently like to construct my roster he is not someone I am looking to plan my draft around. If I missed on Albies and in round 9 or 10 Altuve is there and I don't have a 2b then great but if I pass on Albies to get Altuve and he gets sniped in round 8 I currently don't have many if any late 2b targets that I like outside Madrigal and Hampson but those fit onto teams with a surplus of power where I generally aim to acquire power later. Hope this rambling makes sense. Your point is well taken. In truth, 2B is not as deep in 2021 as other positions and the cutoff for strong 12-team viable 2B ends around Edman at #131. So if you are concerned about the relative shallow-ness of the position you absolutely will want to secure a 2B earlier rather than later. Personally, if I miss on some earlier 2B targets I like Solak/Madrigal later (hard pass on Hampson); La Stella is a great bat to combo with a Gimenez, say, or a Taylor. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BostonCajun 1,675 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I’m both baffled and excited that he’s currently the 11th ranked 2b based off fantasypros adp. He’s going past pick 100. Sign me up for that discount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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