Popular Post Jteepe 13 Posted January 20 Popular Post Share Posted January 20 I was able to piece together the following for Baseball America's top 100 by reading local lists for each team. Couldn't find one for the White Sox, Astros, Rockies, Phillies, and Twins 1-Wander Franco TBR SS 2-Adley Rutschman BAL C 3-Julio Rodriguez SEA OF 4-Jarred Kelenic SEA OF 5-Spencer Torkleson DET 1B 6-Sixto Sanchez MIA SP 7-Christian Pache ATL OF 8-Ian Anderson ATL SP 9-Dylan Carlson STL OF 10-Mackenzie Gore SDP SP 11-CJ Abrams SDP SS 12-Marco Luciano SFG SS 13-Joe Adell LAA OF 14-Nate Pearson TOR SP 15-KeBryan Hayes PIT 3B 16-Bobby Witt Jr KCR SS 17-Randy Arozarena TBR OF 18- 19-Austin Martin TOR SS/3B 20-Tarik Skubal DET SP 21- 22-Grayson Rodriguez BAL SP 23-Luis Patino TBR SP 24- 25-Daniel Lynch KCR SP 26-Triston McKenzie CLE SP 27- 28-Casey Mize DET SP 29- 30-Matt Manning DET SP 31-Riley Greene DET OF 32-Drew Waters ATL OF 33-Jasson Dominguez NYY OF 34-Jordan Groshans TOR SS 35-Logan Gilbert SEA SP 36-Luis Camusano SDP C 37-Asa Lacy KCR SP 38-Brandon Marsh LAA OF 39- 40- 41-Joey Bart SFG C 42-Corbin Carroll ARZ OF 43-JJ Bleday MIA OF 44-Max Meyer MIA SP 45-Nolan Jones CLE 3B 46-Matthew Liberatore STL SP 47-Triston Casas BOS 1B 48-Francisco Alvarez NYM C 49-Josh Jung TEX 3B 50-Oneil Cruz PIT SS 51-Nick Gonzales PIT 2B 52-Brailyn Marquez CHC SP 53-Keibert Ruiz LAD C 54-Nolan Gorman STL 3B 55-Deivi Garcia NYY SP 56-Vidal Brujan TBR 2B 57-Emerson Hancock SEA SP 58-Quinn Priester PIT SP 59-DL Hall BAL SP 60- 61- 62-Heston Kjerstad BAL OF 63-Ryan Mountcastle BAL OF 64-Clarke Schmidt NYY SP 65-Ronny Mauricio NYM SS 66-Andres Gimenez CLE SS 67-Daulton Varsho ARZ C/OF 68-Josiah Gray LAD SP 69-Simeon Woods Richardson TOR SP 70-Alejandro Kirk TOR C 71-Jeter Downs BOS 2b/SS 72-Brennan Davis CHC OF 73-Noelvi Marte SEA SS 74- 75-Luis Perdomo ARZ SS 76-Adrian Morejon SDP SP 77-Jazz Chisholm MIA SS 78-Ha-Seong Kim SDP 2B 79- 80- 81-Edward Cabrera MIA SP 82-Tyler Freeman CLE SS 83-Heliot Ramos SFG OF 84-Ryan Weathers SDP SP 85-Robert Hassell III SDP OF 86- 87-Michael Busch LAD 2B 88-Brice Turang MIL SS 89-Trevor Rogers MIA SP 90-Bobby Dalbec BOS 1B/3B 91-Garrett Mitchell MIL OF 92-Tommy Soderstrom OAK C 93-Kristian Robinson ARZ OF 94-Alec Thomsas ARZ OF 95-Jackson Kowar KCR SP 96- 97- 98-Matt Allan NYM SP 99- 100-Shane McClanahan TBR SP I know that Orelvis Marte, SS TOR comes in somewhere after #70, but the article i read didn't specify his exact spot Same goes for Reds prospects Jose Garcia, SS and Austin Hendricks, OF who both slot in somewhere after #75 I was also able to find out that the Washington Nationals have zero prospects on the list 5 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vonparker 6 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Kristian Robinson 93? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charger_ss24 480 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Going to assume Royce Lewis falls into one of those blank slots before #30 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jteepe 13 Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 I was thinking that Royce Lewis, Alex Kiriloff, Andrew Vaughn, Spencer Howard were for sure four of the open spots in the top 30, guessing Kopech is the other 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,618 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Jteepe said: I was thinking that Royce Lewis, Alex Kiriloff, Andrew Vaughn, Spencer Howard were for sure four of the open spots in the top 30, guessing Kopech is the other Nothing against you, Jteepe. This rant is all about these so-called "prospect sites. Despite silly "rookie rules" on these prospect sites the fact is that Spencer Howard is a major leaguer and not a prospect anymore. Same thing goes for a number of people cited by the original poster. Especially Ian Anderson who no way in hell is he a "prospect." Nor Ke'Bryan Hayes, Daulton Varsho, Ryan Mountcastle, Bobby Dalbec, Jazz Chisholm etc etc etc. I get so so VERY tired of these "prospect" sites using "rookie" legalisms when they know in fact so many of these guys are no longer prospects thus making their top 100 lists more like top 80 or so. Use some basic COMMON SENSE. Yoda sez: "Lazy and pathetic they are." Edited January 21 by The Big Bat Theory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dan 75 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 3 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Nothing against you, Jteepe. This rant is all about these so-called "prospect sites. Despite silly "rookie rules" on these prospect sites the fact is that Spencer Howard is a major leaguer and not a prospect anymore. Same thing goes for a number of people cited by the original poster. Especially Ian Anderson who no way in hell is he a "prospect." Nor Ke'Bryan Hayes, Daulton Varsho, Ryan Mountcastle, Bobby Dalbec, Jazz Chisholm etc etc etc. I get so so VERY tired of these "prospect" sites using "rookie" legalisms when they know in fact so many of these guys are no longer prospects thus making their top 100 lists more like top 80 or so. Use some basic COMMON SENSE. Yoda sez: "Lazy and pathetic they are." I'm curious, where would you draw the line? 5 ip or 10 ab? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sternes 5,010 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, dan said: I'm curious, where would you draw the line? 5 ip or 10 ab? Well in this case all the names he mentioned, at least at a glance, are expected to be in the starting lineup on their MLB team. That sort of takes away from them being prospects (aside from technicalities) when we know they have already been called up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,618 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 18 hours ago, dan said: I'm curious, where would you draw the line? 5 ip or 10 ab? What Sternes said. You know when a player is up to stay or not. You don't use legalist and artificial stat "parameters." You use something else. Again, it is called COMMON SENSE. These sites are suppose to be ranking true prospects. You know, ones still playing in the minors. The whole ranking system looks silly when you throw in tons of major league players. Edited January 22 by The Big Bat Theory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dan 75 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 So, if a player has had ANY time in the majors and/or "are expected to be in the starting lineup on their MLB team" than they shouldn't be considered prospects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThreadKiller 768 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 47 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said: What Sternes said. You know when a player is up to stay or not. You don't use legalist and artificial stat "parameters." You use something else. Again, it is called COMMON SENSE. These sites are suppose to be ranking true prospects. You know, ones still playing in the minors. The whole ranking system looks silly when you throw in tons of major league players. But then the list because too subjective and each source is likely to have different names involved. My opinion is there should be some sort of established perimeters, not just randomly up to the source. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,618 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, ThreadKiller said: But then the list because too subjective and each source is likely to have different names involved. My opinion is there should be some sort of established perimeters, not just randomly up to the source. It is randomly up to the source right now in that a few sites do use common sense and don't include the Ian Andersons on their lists. Some wouldn't include him but would incluse Spencer Howard. Some wouldn't include either of them since they are in the starting rotations but still include Luis Patino. There is absolutely no reason to think there will ever be a "standard" between various baseball fantasy sites on this any more than on their opinions of seeding in their rankings. These are just sites set up by some guy or guys who have self-deemed themselves "experts." They aren't in some professional organization that make up rules for themselves together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blood Brother 1,891 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) On 1/20/2021 at 8:04 AM, Jteepe said: I was able to piece together the following for Baseball America's top 100 by reading local lists for each team. Couldn't find one for the White Sox, Astros, Rockies, Phillies, and Twins 1-Wander Franco TBR SS 2-Adley Rutschman BAL C 3-Julio Rodriguez SEA OF 4-Jarred Kelenic SEA OF 5-Spencer Torkleson DET 1B 6-Sixto Sanchez MIA SP 7-Christian Pache ATL OF 8-Ian Anderson ATL SP 9-Dylan Carlson STL OF 10-Mackenzie Gore SDP SP 11-CJ Abrams SDP SS 12-Marco Luciano SFG SS 13-Joe Adell LAA OF 14-Nate Pearson TOR SP 15-KeBryan Hayes PIT 3B 16-Bobby Witt Jr KCR SS 17-Randy Arozarena TBR OF18- Alex Kirilloff MIN OF 19-Austin Martin TOR SS/3B 20-Tarik Skubal DET SP21- Amdrew Vaughn CHW 1B 22-Grayson Rodriguez BAL SP 23-Luis Patino TBR SP24- Michael Kopech CHW SP 25-Daniel Lynch KCR SP 26-Triston McKenzie CLE SP27- Spencer Howard PHI SP 28-Casey Mize DET SP29- Royce Lewis MIN SS 30-Matt Manning DET SP 31-Riley Greene DET OF 32-Drew Waters ATL OF 33-Jasson Dominguez NYY OF 34-Jordan Groshans TOR SS 35-Logan Gilbert SEA SP 36-Luis Camusano SDP C 37-Asa Lacy KCR SP 38-Brandon Marsh LAA OF 39- Trevor Larnach MIN OF 40- Nick Madrigal CHW 2B 41-Joey Bart SFG C 42-Corbin Carroll ARZ OF 43-JJ Bleday MIA OF 44-Max Meyer MIA SP 45-Nolan Jones CLE 3B 46-Matthew Liberatore STL SP 47-Triston Casas BOS 1B 48-Francisco Alvarez NYM C 49-Josh Jung TEX 3B 50-Oneil Cruz PIT SS 51-Nick Gonzales PIT 2B 52-Brailyn Marquez CHC SP 53-Keibert Ruiz LAD C 54-Nolan Gorman STL 3B 55-Deivi Garcia NYY SP 56-Vidal Brujan TBR 2B 57-Emerson Hancock SEA SP 58-Quinn Priester PIT SP 59-DL Hall BAL SP60- Ryan Jeffers MIN C 61- Brendan Rodgers COL SS 62-Heston Kjerstad BAL OF 63-Ryan Mountcastle BAL OF 64-Clarke Schmidt NYY SP 65-Ronny Mauricio NYM SS 66-Andres Gimenez CLE SS 67-Daulton Varsho ARZ C/OF 68-Josiah Gray LAD SP 69-Simeon Woods Richardson TOR SP 70-Alejandro Kirk TOR C 71-Jeter Downs BOS 2b/SS 72-Brennan Davis CHC OF 73-Noelvi Marte SEA SS74- Garrett Crochet CHW SP 75-Luis Perdomo ARZ SS 76-Adrian Morejon SDP SP 77-Jazz Chisholm MIA SS 78-Ha-Seong Kim SDP 2B79- Jose Garcia CIN SS 80- Forrest Whitley HOU SP 81-Edward Cabrera MIA SP 82-Tyler Freeman CLE SS 83-Heliot Ramos SFG OF 84-Ryan Weathers SDP SP 85-Robert Hassell III SDP OF86- Zac Veen COL OF 87-Michael Busch LAD 2B 88-Brice Turang MIL SS 89-Trevor Rogers MIA SP 90-Bobby Dalbec BOS 1B/3B 91-Garrett Mitchell MIL OF 92-Tommy Soderstrom OAK C 93-Kristian Robinson ARZ OF 94-Alec Thomsas ARZ OF 95-Jackson Kowar KCR SP96- Orelvis Martinez TOR 3B 97- Austin Hendrick CIN OF 98-Matt Allan NYM SP99- Mick Abel PHI SP 100-Shane McClanahan TBR SP I know that Orelvis Marte, SS TOR comes in somewhere after #70, but the article i read didn't specify his exact spot Same goes for Reds prospects Jose Garcia, SS and Austin Hendricks, OF who both slot in somewhere after #75 I was also able to find out that the Washington Nationals have zero prospects on the list Filled in the gaps with the missing players in bold to complete the list Edited January 22 by Blood Brother 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hanghow 458 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: There is absolutely no reason to think there will ever be a "standard" between various baseball fantasy sites on this any more than on their opinions of seeding in their rankings. These are just sites set up by some guy or guys who have self-deemed themselves "experts." They aren't in some professional organization that make up rules for themselves together. This sounds an awful lot like MLB; I feel like we're coming full circle. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sternes 5,010 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, dan said: So, if a player has had ANY time in the majors and/or "are expected to be in the starting lineup on their MLB team" than they shouldn't be considered prospects. 8 hours ago, ThreadKiller said: But then the list because too subjective and each source is likely to have different names involved. My opinion is there should be some sort of established perimeters, not just randomly up to the source. I agree with both these points as well. I'd be fine with some sort of cutoff. I do also agree with BBT on this one; that the lists smack of laziness. Take my Tigers for instance. Who considers Mize and Skubal prospects? They were in the rotation last year. They got the 3rd and 4th most innings of any starters. Their positions are not being challenged by FA or other prospects in minors coming up. They are expected to start the season in the rotation. Yes, "technically" they are still in the minors in my fantasy league. If I was paying for or thumbing through a magazine at a store and saw those guys on the pages I'd want my money back or put it down. What possible insight are these guys providing me with my money when I can read the list and know 10 of them are already in the majors permanently? I'm not even an avid prospects guy. Manning on the other hand hasn't been called up. He is expected to start in the minors AFAIK, should eventually be called up this year at some point even if it is just for coffee, and should be on the list. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HOOTIE 1,087 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I know BA is the granddaddy of prospect lists. But I think they are the worst. Robinson at 93rd says it all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrocks 40 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 On 1/22/2021 at 8:11 AM, dan said: So, if a player has had ANY time in the majors and/or "are expected to be in the starting lineup on their MLB team" than they shouldn't be considered prospects. Except that most fantasy leagues do minor league drafts based upon rookie eligibility so these lists are pretty valuable for that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LHugstad 5 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 12 hours ago, HOOTIE said: I know BA is the granddaddy of prospect lists. But I think they are the worst. Robinson at 93rd says it all They still rank players based on 2015 strategies. They haven't even discovered exit velocities yet lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tucker26 2,370 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, LHugstad said: They still rank players based on 2015 strategies. They haven't even discovered exit velocities yet lol Baseball America refers to exit velocity and other emerging metrics frequently. What are these 2015 strategeries? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AngryBeavers 136 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, tucker26 said: Baseball America refers to exit velocity and other emerging metrics frequently. What are these 2015 strategeries? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think BA focuses on real life baseball including defensive metrics versus the offensively driven stats that the vast majority of us are seeking. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dan 75 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Seriously, why ARE they so down on KRob? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrocks 40 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, dan said: Seriously, why ARE they so down on KRob? whether they are aware of this or not, some reports are that KRob had a very rough 2020 and the hit tool is probably getting exposed, as well as speed down as he bulks up. i dont know if thats a reason to end up almost outside top 100 but some of the shine is off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,618 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, Shamrocks said: Except that most fantasy leagues do minor league drafts based upon rookie eligibility so these lists are pretty valuable for that Most? You know that how? I seriously doubt you have any stats to back that up. Maybe yours do but my three dynasty leagues don't use MLB "rookie" eligibility rules at all. And platforms don't have current major leaguers that MLB would use the "rookie" definition (so so very outdated) sitting with an NA next to their name or whatever that platform uses for non-active roster players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrocks 40 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said: Most? You know that how? I seriously doubt you have any stats to back that up. Maybe yours do but my three dynasty leagues don't use MLB "rookie" eligibility rules at all. And platforms don't have current major leaguers that MLB would use the "rookie" definition (so so very outdated) sitting with an NA next to their name or whatever that platform uses for non-active roster players. Good point. My experience in multiple dynasty leagues is that there is value in declaring rookie eligibility, MLB does it, Fantrax and CBS both have designations for who can be in the minors ("rookie-eligible"). Im not sure why you would have separate MLB/MILB drafts and rosters if there was no distinction, I guess thats my point. There is value in ranking rookies based upon the way MLB classifies them (i.e. who is still ROY-eligible) depending on if thats how your league classifies them, but I was wrong to state that most leagues operate that way, and for that, I apologize. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AngryBeavers 136 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 16 hours ago, Shamrocks said: whether they are aware of this or not, some reports are that KRob had a very rough 2020 and the hit tool is probably getting exposed, as well as speed down as he bulks up. i dont know if thats a reason to end up almost outside top 100 but some of the shine is off FWIW, Rotowire has the opposite take, says he has worked hard to not bulk up and has him #15. FYI Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Bat Theory 7,618 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 hours ago, Shamrocks said: Good point. My experience in multiple dynasty leagues is that there is value in declaring rookie eligibility, MLB does it, Fantrax and CBS both have designations for who can be in the minors ("rookie-eligible"). Im not sure why you would have separate MLB/MILB drafts and rosters if there was no distinction, I guess thats my point. There is value in ranking rookies based upon the way MLB classifies them (i.e. who is still ROY-eligible) depending on if thats how your league classifies them, but I was wrong to state that most leagues operate that way, and for that, I apologize. No problem. We all play in different formats and different platforms. Yahoo has someone in the "minors" via NA (not active). And that is it. Unfortunately they shoot themselves in the foot by having the "NA" slots disappear when leagues re-open which leads all dynasty and most all deeper keepers to have to do "by hand" drafts which usually include multiple lists and spreadsheets and even sometimes websites to handle all this so owners can keep their prospects. Fun fun fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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