Words 86 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I have always liked having a few versatile guys. My money league has Edman eligible at 2B, SS, 3B, and OF. My concern is his playing time. I've read some stuff suggesting he won't be starting full time this season. Obviously, adding Arenado cuts into the at-bats available, though maybe Edman slides in for Wong at second base. Thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Topgun 597 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, Words said: I have always liked having a few versatile guys. My money league has Edman eligible at 2B, SS, 3B, and OF. My concern is his playing time. I've read some stuff suggesting he won't be starting full time this season. Obviously, adding Arenado cuts into the at-bats available, though maybe Edman slides in for Wong at second base. Thoughts? I think he has a good chance to be the everyday 2B. I like his game a lot, and his multiple position eligibility is a game changer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
damana 131 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 53 minutes ago, Words said: I have always liked having a few versatile guys. My money league has Edman eligible at 2B, SS, 3B, and OF. My concern is his playing time. I've read some stuff suggesting he won't be starting full time this season. Obviously, adding Arenado cuts into the at-bats available, though maybe Edman slides in for Wong at second base. Thoughts? Edman's versatility is a boon and he offers a nice amount of speed, coupled with a bit of power. Had a rough year in '20 but his xBA was higher than his actual BA indicating a bit of bad luck. His sprint speed is elite and I think if everything clicks he can give you a 15/20 season. He's penciled into the leadoff spot and has some big bats behind him so I can see him topping 90 R with everyday playing time. He doesn't walk a ton so his R and SB is capped unless he hits .300 again which I think is a long shot. He's going at ADP 130 between MI options Moose and Villar. The upside isn't huge but at that ADP I think there is definitely room for profit, especially for a guy that can fit almost anywhere on your roster. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Words 86 Posted February 2 Author Share Posted February 2 The shortstop eligibility is particularly enticing in my league. That's what sent me looking for info on his prospects for playing time. I am seeing lineup projections with him at 2B and batting first or second. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sidearmer 2,226 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 He should be locked into an every day role batting atop an elite lineup. He really needs to run again to have value. He barely ran last season. So while he provides nice flexibility, he could be a drain on most categories. I probably will be avoiding this year, although I'd be open to him at a slight discount. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,604 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I don't get the love for the guy. 2019 looks like a power outlier and SBs in his range aren't predictable. Not sure how much he's going to steal in front of Goldy and Arenado. Definitely 100 run upside but he could very well go 10-10. He's Joey Wendle with a better lineup spot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
damana 131 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 18 minutes ago, Magoo said: I don't get the love for the guy. 2019 looks like a power outlier and SBs in his range aren't predictable. Not sure how much he's going to steal in front of Goldy and Arenado. Definitely 100 run upside but he could very well go 10-10. He's Joey Wendle with a better lineup spot. You guys make a good point about him possibly not running as the Cards were 27th in the league in SB last year. This would take a huge bite out of his value. He does have a few pluses going for him in that regard, those being his success in the minors along with a high success rate and his elite sprint speed, ranking in the top 5% in the league in both '19 and '20. I can't say for sure if he will run or not. You guys have definitely given me pause as I look at some of the other speedsters that can be had later. The idea of 90+ runs from your MI is intriguing, but as stated in my previous post the runs could be capped due to his less than stellar K/BB rate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST. STEVEN 4,758 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I was onto Edman early as he was coming up through the Cards system, always felt like he was a guy that could outperform expectations--and he certainly did early on...then last year showed some holes in his game (truncated/odd season or not). His strike out rate shot up and the batted ball profile was not pretty--exit velo and barrel rates were both in the bottom 15% of the league. No doubt he has wheels, just not sure how much he will run with this team, esp being a table setter at the top of the order. I like the player, just don't see much value with where he is likely to be drafted. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Caelum 781 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 One other thing to keep in mind with Edman is that the Cardinals’ schedule was relentless last year with tons of doubleheaders and few days off, sparked by their 2-week COVID shutdown. Being young, they ran Edman out there game-in, game-out, harder than anyone. I don’t know if fatigue may have played a role in his performance dip, but it’s possible. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,604 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 hours ago, damana said: You guys make a good point about him possibly not running as the Cards were 27th in the league in SB last year. This would take a huge bite out of his value. He does have a few pluses going for him in that regard, those being his success in the minors along with a high success rate and his elite sprint speed, ranking in the top 5% in the league in both '19 and '20. I can't say for sure if he will run or not. You guys have definitely given me pause as I look at some of the other speedsters that can be had later. The idea of 90+ runs from your MI is intriguing, but as stated in my previous post the runs could be capped due to his less than stellar K/BB rate. Look at his SB success rate in 2019 and tell me that’s not a crazy outlier. Meh SBA too. Him and Joey Wendle have virtually the same skills yet Wendle is going 150+ picks later.* So you’re paying for a perceived better run production and ABs: Both predicated on a secure lineup spot AND lead off position. *Caveat that the current high draft price is based on DCs which have no FAAB so multi-position guys get a big bump. Having said that, Wendle has nearly that same multi-position bump so that point stands relative to each other. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magoo 1,604 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 13 minutes ago, Caelum said: One other thing to keep in mind with Edman is that the Cardinals’ schedule was relentless last year with tons of doubleheaders and few days off, sparked by their 2-week COVID shutdown. Being young, they ran Edman out there game-in, game-out, harder than anyone. I don’t know if fatigue may have played a role in his performance dip, but it’s possible. Agreed one could argue that whole team gets a pass to an extent. But he’s a young guy and didn’t get COVID so he has less of an excuse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingJoffrey 955 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 He's silenced all critics of his running skills having picked up his 2nd SB today. Looking comfortable at the top of a (perhaps surprisingly) potent batting order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyberer 1,988 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, KingJoffrey said: He's silenced all critics of his running skills having picked up his 2nd SB today. Looking comfortable at the top of a (perhaps surprisingly) potent batting order. based on raw speed score this guy should steal 30+ given the opportunity. He's now leading off (i.e. opportunity). According to a news article I read today he's reached base in every game so far. Time to enjoy the ride. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CFN 1,669 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I'm glad Sporer was hyping him up so much this offseason as a 'discount Albies'. Made sure to target him heavily. Good way to get a piece of that STL lineup, and the playing time concerns are gone this year. He's definitely capable of getting to the 20/20 echelon with an .800+ OPS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhilaFanBoy 399 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 He needs one more game at 2B to get eligibility on ESPN but Cardinals can't stop playing Carpenter at 2B now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyberer 1,988 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 .306 average with an 800 OPS - true 5 category player thus far Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingJoffrey 955 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 He's sexy, I don't know about the HRs but I wish I had more shares. But yeah the speed is there. It always was. Can't explain 2020. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhilaFanBoy 399 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) Should finally get 2B eligibility on ESPN after today. Finally starting at second again. Will have every position except 1B. Edited April 17 by PhilaFanBoy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fantasy Dork 260 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 How are people feeling about him now? He's still hitting for average, but not much else. Had three SBs in the first 12 days of April and then just one in the last four weeks. I'm debating trading for him, but he's been mostly a BA/Runs guy over the last month outside of one steal. That position eligibility though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,657 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 no sb for carlson whos been on alot as well in the 2 spot. wonder whats going on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KingJoffrey 955 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Hes being dropped with alarming frequency. Hes available now in 3 of my leagues. Had 2 SBs today which brings him to 7 on the season. So project to be around 30. Combined with a good batting average. His power is down, with just 2 hrs so far. But i still say a .290-15-30 line is reasonable. His projections arent far off so why are people panic selling? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,657 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 he should not be dropped anywhere 10 team and up Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cyberer 1,988 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) He’s running wild so thanks to whoever said he’s not running! he has 50 sb speed, will probably end up with 25-30 unless they let him run, but in a game where no one runs that’s all great Edited May 14 by cyberer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Snilbog 186 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 hours ago, KingJoffrey said: Hes being dropped with alarming frequency. Hes available now in 3 of my leagues. Had 2 SBs today which brings him to 7 on the season. So project to be around 30. Combined with a good batting average. His power is down, with just 2 hrs so far. But i still say a .290-15-30 line is reasonable. His projections arent far off so why are people panic selling? I'm guessing the drops came from the long layoff in between steals coupled with his struggles from the abbreviated 2020. He doesn't seem to have a lot of believers. He went like 3 to 4 weeks with only 1 steal and people got impatient. He's a solid source of runs, Avg, and steals with eligibility at 4 positions. The steals are worth their weight in gold, especially since he isn't a one cat producer. Probably most valuable at 2B or MI but he's a nice fill in at any other eligible position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colepenhagen 3,657 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 david fletcher held value with no sb or hrs. edman is very valuable Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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