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10 minutes ago, Words said:

By all means, share with us some evidence that this is known. 

The guy comes up with the Astros and magically sprouts a 3000 RPM curveball when 80% of the league is cheating, I don’t think you really need much more than that to connect the dots tbh

but you’re right I should have said “highly speculated” because it’s not like I have proof lol (nor does anyone else for any other pitcher) 

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Love how we're discussing Framber's worst start of the season and it's a quality start with decent K's and WHIP

Inching closer….  

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2 minutes ago, Fbaseballgod said:

The guy comes up with the Astros and magically sprouts a 3000 RPM curveball when 80% of the league is cheating, I don’t think you really need much more than that to connect the dots tbh

but you’re right I should have said “highly speculated” because it’s not like I have proof lol (nor does anyone else for any other pitcher) 

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1 hour ago, Fbaseballgod said:

The guy comes up with the Astros and magically sprouts a 3000 RPM curveball when 80% of the league is cheating, I don’t think you really need much more than that to connect the dots tbh

but you’re right I should have said “highly speculated” because it’s not like I have proof lol (nor does anyone else for any other pitcher) 

So you have speculation. Thank you. 

By all means, find any pitchers at all who use nothing. I'm not sure they exist. Calling that cheating is dubious at best. 

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While no one knows for sure, there’s a big difference between his FB spin rate and curve.  It’s when their both high, I worry.  Some can naturally spin a curve at a high level.  I’m avoiding guys with a high spin fb and curve but open to the high spin curve guys. That’s how I’m approaching it. 

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15 hours ago, Words said:

So you have speculation. Thank you. 

By all means, find any pitchers at all who use nothing. I'm not sure they exist. Calling that cheating is dubious at best. 

I may be misunderstanding this - are you saying that if everyone (or almost everyone) is doing it, it shouldn’t be called/considered cheating?

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On 6/17/2021 at 10:48 AM, ToO_BaD said:

I may be misunderstanding this - are you saying that if everyone (or almost everyone) is doing it, it shouldn’t be called/considered cheating?

Are you implying that everyone is cheating? 

Also, there is a significant difference between using a little something just to be able to grip the ball and using some concoction to get a ridiculous spin rate. To paraphrase something a guy I know wrote on Twitter, if you don't think all pitchers need at least a little something to be able to grip a fresh baseball, you have no idea what it is like to throw a brand new ball. 

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16 hours ago, Words said:

Are you implying that everyone is cheating? 

Also, there is a significant difference between using a little something just to be able to grip the ball and using some concoction to get a ridiculous spin rate. To paraphrase something a guy I know wrote on Twitter, if you don't think all pitchers need at least a little something to be able to grip a fresh baseball, you have no idea what it is like to throw a brand new ball. 

I’m not implying that - was just asking for clarification on your post.  

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6 hours ago, ToO_BaD said:

I’m not implying that - was just asking for clarification on your post.  

If everyone is doing it and it is cheating, then that does imply that everyone is cheating. 

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12 hours ago, Words said:

If everyone is doing it and it is cheating, then that does imply that everyone is cheating. 

Please quote me where I said anything about it being cheating…..

 

I was merely asking for clarification to your post that made it sound like if everyone is doing something then it’s fine.

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8 hours ago, ToO_BaD said:

Please quote me where I said anything about it being cheating…..

 

I was merely asking for clarification to your post that made it sound like if everyone is doing something then it’s fine.

Why would it not be fine if it isn't cheating?

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Anyone concerned with regression ROS?  Found this on another site...Thinking about trying to sell high.

 

Valdez has less data due to missing the first part of the season, but his resurgent June isn’t likely representative of his true skill set. His K-B% is the same as Dylan Bundy, and he’s been treated to a .230 BABIP so far. Bats are warming up and his ridiculous 71% ground ball rate won’t be sustainable.

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7 minutes ago, herschel said:

Anyone concerned with regression ROS?  Found this on another site...Thinking about trying to sell high.

 

Valdez has less data due to missing the first part of the season, but his resurgent June isn’t likely representative of his true skill set. His K-B% is the same as Dylan Bundy, and he’s been treated to a .230 BABIP so far. Bats are warming up and his ridiculous 71% ground ball rate won’t be sustainable.

Yes. Him and Javier.

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9 minutes ago, herschel said:

Anyone concerned with regression ROS?  Found this on another site...Thinking about trying to sell high.

 

Valdez has less data due to missing the first part of the season, but his resurgent June isn’t likely representative of his true skill set. His K-B% is the same as Dylan Bundy, and he’s been treated to a .230 BABIP so far. Bats are warming up and his ridiculous 71% ground ball rate won’t be sustainable.

He’s been lights out.. maybe a little regression of course, but I’ve watched every start and no one is hitting him hard. Little weak ground balls because he has incredible pitch movement. I think this guy is a top arm in the AL and no shot I’d be selling. He’s a competitor and is a bulldog on the mound - one of the few guys that doesn’t get babied and actually will go 7 innings on a regular basis. You can’t simply strictly look at the numbers and get a full picture of what’s going on, especially when you’re comparing K/BB percentages with a pitcher who’s been atrocious. Framber is a stud.

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Framber is not going to maintain a 1.67 ERA. So I guess, he's a regression candidate... but that's not saying much. He's an easy top 20 Starter in my book and I'm not selling unless I get a top 15 arm back. 

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4 hours ago, herschel said:

Anyone concerned with regression ROS?  Found this on another site...Thinking about trying to sell high.

 

Valdez has less data due to missing the first part of the season, but his resurgent June isn’t likely representative of his true skill set. His K-B% is the same as Dylan Bundy, and he’s been treated to a .230 BABIP so far. Bats are warming up and his ridiculous 71% ground ball rate won’t be sustainable.

K and BB rates haven’t stabilized for him, still very small samples, but he’s passing every eye test and looking dominant like last year + playoffs. 

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32 minutes ago, fawkes_mulder said:

K and BB rates haven’t stabilized for him, still very small samples, but he’s passing every eye test and looking dominant like last year + playoffs. 

The Exxon Framber is well and afloat 

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I'm almost certain that these little yahoo weather updates on your team page are inaccurate but if there is a shred of truth to this one I think we can safely assume our boy is gonna have a solid day.

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Framber against Detroit with 16mph winds blowing in from center sounds pretty good to me.

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1 hour ago, herschel said:

Hate to be the jerk who’s disappointed with a quality start, but.....

One pitch snuck out for a 2 run hr, otherwise it’s another gem. Y’all are wild. This start was still net positive for the QS, Ks, and WHIP.

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1 hour ago, fawkes_mulder said:

One pitch snuck out for a 2 run hr, otherwise it’s another gem. Y’all are wild. This start was still net positive for the QS, Ks, and WHIP.

Net negative for wins and era and I consider 6 ks in 6ip vs Detroit a push at best.  All I’m saying is if he’s really a top 15 pitcher, I would expect more against this team/lineup.

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24 minutes ago, herschel said:

Net negative for wins and era and I consider 6 ks in 6ip vs Detroit a push at best.  All I’m saying is if he’s really a top 15 pitcher, I would expect more against this team/lineup.

Lol……

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