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20 hours ago, dicka24 said:

I'm going to wait a couple of days for due diligence purposes

It's hard enough to follow a recovering player through surgery, rest, rehab, etc., but my obligations for due diligence end once terms like "Bail" and "Arraignment" become part of the blurbs for a player.

For those asking about dynasty:

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Braves likely can't void the contract of outfielder Marcell Ozuna.

Ozuna was arrested on two counts Saturday after a domestic violence incident with his wife, Genesis. The outfielder was charged with aggravated assault strangulation and misdemeanor battery - family violence and later released with a $20,000 bond. In addition to the legal troubles, Ozuna will face an investigation from MLB. Players can receive suspensions even if they aren't ultimately found guilty. The outfielder was already slated to miss about six weeks due to two fractured fingers, so any suspension would come after that. Police officers witnessed the disturbing altercation with Ozuna, so there's a distinction here with some of the other domestic violence cases in MLB, but teams have yet to be able to void a contract and it's unlikely the Braves would be able to do it here, either. Of course, the club re-signed Ozuna to a four-year, $65 million contract during the offseason. He's likely a long way from taking the field again, but the Braves will eventually have to decide what to do with him.

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5 minutes ago, Richard Kimble said:

...  but the Braves will eventually have to decide what to do with him.

Maybe the Braves can help him sweep it under the rug then retire his number, like they did with Bobby Cox.

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28 minutes ago, Overlord said:

Maybe the Braves can help him sweep it under the rug then retire his number, like they did with Bobby Cox.

As if Bobby was the only abuser during that tenure

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28 minutes ago, dicka24 said:

I'm assuming he is not going to play again this season and that he is a drop in redraft.   Are we all pretty much in agreement on this?  

I dropped and he's cleared waivers in my 10 teamer and is still there

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19 minutes ago, lakhania said:

Are we dropping in Dynasty as well?

I dropped him in my keeper league that would have required me to draft him in the fifth round of a 12-team league...  Definitely not worth it...

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https://www.tmz.com/2021/06/01/marcell-ozuna-domestic-violence-threatened-to-kill-kitchen-king/

This is why you don't jump to conclusions on this stuff. She claims he was abusively yelling at her before he strangled her...

But within that story... He was yelling at her because he caught her cheating, he left the house, she pursued him outside and chased him around the car, they went back in the house at which point she grabbed a kitchen knife and he doesn't put his hands on her until after she grabbed a knife.

Heated dispute over infidelity, but it didn't turn physical until she grabbed a kitchen knife.

His emotions got the best of him, as they would virtually anyone in this type of case -- but according to the report and her account, it wasn't physical until she grabbed a deadly weapon.

It's wrong to lay your hands on a woman, but that woman just got caught cheating, instigated by chasing after him, and escalated to a serious harmful threat when she pulled a deadly weapon out on him... she is far from an innocent victim.

We don't know anything about Marcel's history of behavior behind closed doors, but this incident itself doesn't indicate a pattern IMO. When police look this over either neither of them are going to press charges, or there seems to be charges against both of them.

FYI -- Ozuna's wife was arrested 1 year ago for hitting him in the face with a soap dish. 

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9 minutes ago, StevieStats said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/06/01/marcell-ozuna-domestic-violence-threatened-to-kill-kitchen-king/

This is why you don't jump to conclusions on this stuff. She claims he was abusively yelling at her before he strangled her...

But within that story... He was yelling at her because he caught her cheating, he left the house, she pursued him outside and chased him around the car, they went back in the house at which point she grabbed a kitchen knife and he doesn't put his hands on her until after she grabbed a knife.

Heated dispute over infidelity, but it didn't turn physical until she grabbed a kitchen knife.

His emotions got the best of him, as they would virtually anyone in this type of case -- but according to the report and her account, it wasn't physical until she grabbed a deadly weapon.

It's wrong to lay your hands on a woman, but that woman just got caught cheating, instigated by chasing after him, and escalated to a serious harmful threat when she pulled a deadly weapon out on him... she is far from an innocent victim.

We don't know anything about Marcel's history of behavior behind closed doors, but this incident itself doesn't indicate a pattern IMO. When police look this over either neither of them are going to press charges, or there seems to be charges against both of them.

FYI -- Ozuna's wife was arrested 1 year ago for hitting him in the face with a soap dish. 

While criminal law isn't my practice area, I have to think it will come down to the same question that is ALWAYS the case in "self defense" claims (whether criminal or civil):  Was the person still a threat when you were physically combative with them?  E.g. did she still have the knife, was she still acting aggressively, do the totality of the circumstances lead one to to conclude that the person who claims to have been acting in self defense used only a reasonable amount of force for a reasonable amount of time, etc. ...

I can tell you one thing, though, for sure:  these two people really need to get divorced.  

 

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20 minutes ago, StevieStats said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/06/01/marcell-ozuna-domestic-violence-threatened-to-kill-kitchen-king/

 

His emotions got the best of him, as they would virtually anyone in this type of case -- but according to the report and her account, it wasn't physical until she grabbed a deadly weapon.

It's wrong to lay your hands on a woman, but that woman just got caught cheating, instigated by chasing after him, and escalated to a serious harmful threat when she pulled a deadly weapon out on him... she is far from an innocent victim.

 

 

I really hope his wife gets persecuted for all of the things here. If women want to be treated equally, here it is. 

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1 minute ago, Travis Burten said:

THIS is why you don't MARRY someone when you're an athlete

The last five words of your post are completely unnecessary, particularly if you're slated to be the primary wage earner.  

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29 minutes ago, Overlord said:

The last five words of your post are completely unnecessary, particularly if you're slated to be the primary wage earner.  

Agreed, but emphasized moreso for athletes because their public image is affected by how people in their circle behave. 

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1 hour ago, StevieStats said:

https://www.tmz.com/2021/06/01/marcell-ozuna-domestic-violence-threatened-to-kill-kitchen-king/

This is why you don't jump to conclusions on this stuff. She claims he was abusively yelling at her before he strangled her...

But within that story... He was yelling at her because he caught her cheating, he left the house, she pursued him outside and chased him around the car, they went back in the house at which point she grabbed a kitchen knife and he doesn't put his hands on her until after she grabbed a knife.

Heated dispute over infidelity, but it didn't turn physical until she grabbed a kitchen knife.

His emotions got the best of him, as they would virtually anyone in this type of case -- but according to the report and her account, it wasn't physical until she grabbed a deadly weapon.

It's wrong to lay your hands on a woman, but that woman just got caught cheating, instigated by chasing after him, and escalated to a serious harmful threat when she pulled a deadly weapon out on him... she is far from an innocent victim.

We don't know anything about Marcel's history of behavior behind closed doors, but this incident itself doesn't indicate a pattern IMO. When police look this over either neither of them are going to press charges, or there seems to be charges against both of them.

FYI -- Ozuna's wife was arrested 1 year ago for hitting him in the face with a soap dish. 

Being female, and he grabbed both her phones, large male athlete that threatened her as well, grabbing a knife doesnt sound as bad, no evidence she did anything but tell him, "dont come any closer" not like she tried to stab him

Article also says she put down the knife and thats when he got physical with her, She was also chasing him around the car because he was trying to leave having learned that she called 9-1-1 (she did not have the knife during this)

But,

Its a TMZ article so pretty baseless news outlet looking for click bait, and even your synapsis left a lot of the story out or very generic overview

Lets wait for a real article before giving any weight to some article on TMZ hah

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1 hour ago, kmoore1521 said:

Being female, and he grabbed both her phones, large male athlete that threatened her as well, grabbing a knife doesnt sound as bad, no evidence she did anything but tell him, "dont come any closer" not like she tried to stab him

Article also says she put down the knife and thats when he got physical with her, She was also chasing him around the car because he was trying to leave having learned that she called 9-1-1 (she did not have the knife during this)

But,

Its a TMZ article so pretty baseless news outlet looking for click bait, and even your synapsis left a lot of the story out or very generic overview

Lets wait for a real article before giving any weight to some article on TMZ hah

Reading her phone to find out she is having an affair means she can pull a knife on him? Have you lost your mind???? It's not like she was without a phone, she had his, she still called police lol... If she is so scared why is she running after him chasing him around a car?? 🤣 Please...

This was nothing more than a verbal argument over her cheating... Until she pulled a deadly weapon on him... Oh and she was already arrested last year for hitting him, so the only one with a track record of violence here is her... 

If the script was flipped here and Marcel had been arrested for beating her last year, Marcel cheated on her, and Marcel chased her around a car then pulled a knife on her, then she ended up scratching him and putting her hand on her throat you better believe 100% everyone would be blaming Marcel.

The point isn't too say he's in the right, the point is this is why you can't jump to conclusions on this stuff without knowing the story because she is anything but an innocent victim, and there is much more here than Marcel being some degenerate abuser.

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13 hours ago, StevieStats said:

Reading her phone to find out she is having an affair means she can pull a knife on him? Have you lost your mind???? It's not like she was without a phone, she had his, she still called police lol... If she is so scared why is she running after him chasing him around a car?? 🤣 Please...

This was nothing more than a verbal argument over her cheating... Until she pulled a deadly weapon on him... Oh and she was already arrested last year for hitting him, so the only one with a track record of violence here is her... 

If the script was flipped here and Marcel had been arrested for beating her last year, Marcel cheated on her, and Marcel chased her around a car then pulled a knife on her, then she ended up scratching him and putting her hand on her throat you better believe 100% everyone would be blaming Marcel.

The point isn't too say he's in the right, the point is this is why you can't jump to conclusions on this stuff without knowing the story because she is anything but an innocent victim, and there is much more here than Marcel being some degenerate abuser.

The Article says she was chasing him around the car because he was trying to leave before the police got there

Its a bit of a stretch to say she "pulled a knife on him", he was threatening her, saying terrible things, took her phone, she felt scared and grabbed a knife in case he tried anything, knife was held at her waist as she told him to stay away, and that was about it regarding the knife from the article you posted, simply saying she drew a knife on him without context is exactly what the usual media does as well

The scared excuse loses a bit of credibility because as you said, she wasnt scared enough to not try and keep him from leaving before police arrived, but keep in mind this is a large male athlete, there needs to be some understanding as to why she grabbed the knife from a womens POV after hearing threatening remarks that he would harm her

 

Overall you are correct, do not jump to conclusions regardless of what article writes whatever, TMZ articles are a joke but people still take unreliable outlets just like them as fact far too often

Unless she actually came at him with the knife and thats what led to his physical actions, no excuse to put his hands on her, so until it comes out that she did that, I think its fair Ozuna is seen in the way he is currently 

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17 hours ago, kmoore1521 said:

Its a TMZ article so pretty baseless news outlet looking for click bait, and even your synapsis left a lot of the story out or very generic overview

Lets wait for a real article before giving any weight to some article on TMZ hah

TMZ has broken many stories before the MSM has that have been legit...

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13 minutes ago, posty said:

TMZ has broken many stories before the MSM has that have been legit...

Yes, also, the TMZ story directly quotes and references the police report and police in this case, including statements but the plaintiff. Not sure what argument there is to be had... Sure more details will come to light but not sure how you argue with diseminating the police report... MSM certainly isn't reliable at all. Need to take each piece on it's own for what it presents for supporting info. It's by no means an endorsement of TMZ, but this article specifically is supported, unless they are lying about the police report.

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59 minutes ago, StevieStats said:

Yes, also, the TMZ story directly quotes and references the police report and police in this case, including statements but the plaintiff. Not sure what argument there is to be had... Sure more details will come to light but not sure how you argue with diseminating the police report... MSM certainly isn't reliable at all. Need to take each piece on it's own for what it presents for supporting info. It's by no means an endorsement of TMZ, but this article specifically is supported, unless they are lying about the police report.

I'm not saying the report is false at all just that most media outlets only tell their perspective of the story. As did you after reading it. From their report, the knife wasn't much of a factor to his physical actions as she did not have the knife when it occurred. So what reason does he have to physically assault her? because she was holding a knife earlier? not how that works, holding a knife out of fear and telling a large male to stay away does not = assault

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3 hours ago, kmoore1521 said:

I'm not saying the report is false at all just that most media outlets only tell their perspective of the story. As did you after reading it. From their report, the knife wasn't much of a factor to his physical actions as she did not have the knife when it occurred. So what reason does he have to physically assault her? because she was holding a knife earlier? not how that works, holding a knife out of fear and telling a large male to stay away does not = assault

I just stated the plain fact from the report that it elevated from a verbal argument to a physical altercation only after she decided to pull out a deadly weapon. She was already arrested for assault last year, and now she's got a deadly weapon pointed at him. She's not scared, she's chasing after him. 

Everyone will have their thoughts on the incident and that's all well and good... and there are far more details to come... but at the end of the day this is why you don't jump to conclusions because these details significantly change the initial outlook from the initial report with few details when people were posting he should never be allowed to play again.

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