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That "drill" is indicative of .. nothing! But let's entertain the notion, Tebow is also the one trying to stay low. You, the guy across from you, who's going to win?  

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On 7/29/2021 at 9:22 PM, DerrickHenrysCleats said:


if Tebow could teach a raider to make the playoffs and win a game that would be even more impressive.

Neither of those things is a given for the Jags this season. Or next season.

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20 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:


that’s what they said the year Tebow took Denver to the playoffs and won…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vP9GdzEofLM

 

It's cute that you ascribe the success of the entire team that year to Tebow when they won the Super Bowl immediately after he left. Its like you think his Jesus rubbed of on them or something. 

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3 minutes ago, PrestigeWW said:

It's cute that you ascribe the success of the entire team that year to Tebow when they won the Super Bowl immediately after he left. Its like you think his Jesus rubbed of on them or something. 

I mean you could argue Peyton Manning was actually a detriment to Denver when they won the Super Bowl. 

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4 minutes ago, TheDoctor said:

I mean you could argue Peyton Manning was actually a detriment to Denver when they won the Super Bowl. 

I stand corrected, they went 13-3 the year after Peyton joined and lost in the playoffs. The year after that, 2013 the Broncos set a new NFL record for most points scored in a season (606) while again winning 13 games to claim the best record in the conference.

No matter how you spin it, the team was better with the ghost of Peyton Manning.

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8 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:


they were 1-5 before he became the starter.

And they were better after he left.

His QBR was 38.6. He completed less than 47% of his passes. He was absolutely fun to watch and root for, but an atrocious passer. 32 teams passed on him as a QB and continue to do so for this reason.

He might’ve been able to change positions but his ego prevented him from doing so for about a decade. Opting instead to be a minor league gate draw whilst depriving some 20 year old a shot at the bigs to struggle to hit .220.

This is just another chapter for the book tour and speaking engagements that Tebow has pretty much made a career out of. He’s nothing more than a sideshow.

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9 hours ago, PrestigeWW said:

And they were better after he left.

His QBR was 38.6. He completed less than 47% of his passes. He was absolutely fun to watch and root for, but an atrocious passer. 32 teams passed on him as a QB and continue to do so for this reason.

He might’ve been able to change positions but his ego prevented him from doing so for about a decade. Opting instead to be a minor league gate draw whilst depriving some 20 year old a shot at the bigs to struggle to hit .220.

This is just another chapter for the book tour and speaking engagements that Tebow has pretty much made a career out of. He’s nothing more than a sideshow.


Tebow’s first 2 years in the NFL as a QB were better than Steve Young’s first 2 years in the NFL.

 

The media is the one that fawned all over Tebow making him such a polarizing player that he was basically frozen out of the league for not changing positions.

Every NFL team except 1 gave up on Steve Young after his first 2 seasons with Tampa Bay.

Im glad that that at least 1 NFL coach, Bill Walsh, believed in the ability to develop a player and allow him time to get better at his position, even though everyone on the SF staff told him that trading for Steve Young was not worth it. Bill Walsh allowed Steve Young to sit behind Montana and learn, develop, and grow until he was 30 years old before he was asked to take any meaningful snaps as QB. 


Tebow was not afforded this same opportunity to develop and get better. 
 

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9 hours ago, PrestigeWW said:

"... 32 teams passed on him as a QB and continue to do so for this reason. He might’ve been able to change positions but his ego prevented him from doing so... This is just another chapter for the book tour and speaking engagements ... He’s nothing more than a sideshow."

Oh, of course, your very own unique perspective...  that just happens to be identical to the mass, bobbin-head hate machine. You must know that at the collegiate level he had enormous success, winning national championships and he was a big part of the reason why! Mentioned again & again that early on he had success at the professional level. So here's this very young man who had every reason to believe he'd fulfill his dream, but it just evaporated. To suggest he was simply too arrogant, you don't know jack. 

Corroborating DHC's point, currently at nfl.com/fantasty, you can find him but on his profile window there's still no image of him & "There is no recent news about Tim Tebow." How could you not know that that is complete BS!!! You can access far more meaningless content on any number of players.....

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2 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:


Tebow’s first 2 years in the NFL as a QB were better than Steve Young’s first 2 years in the NFL.

 

The media is the one that fawned all over Tebow making him such a polarizing player that he was basically frozen out of the league for not changing positions.

Every NFL team except 1 gave up on Steve Young after his first 2 seasons with Tampa Bay.

Im glad that that at least 1 NFL coach, Bill Walsh, believed in the ability to develop a player and allow him time to get better at his position, even though everyone on the SF staff told him that trading for Steve Young was not worth it. Bill Walsh allowed Steve Young to sit behind Montana and learn, develop, and grow until he was 30 years old before he was asked to take any meaningful snaps as QB. 


Tebow was not afforded this same opportunity to develop and get better. 
 

And Steve Young did not turn his team into a media circus while waiting for his chance to start.

Also comparing stats from the late 80s to stats from 2010-11 is not very helpful.  The game evolved and changed quite a bit over that span.  Back in the 80s, passing was less volume and less efficient and defenses were allowed much more contact against opposing pass catchers.

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14 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

Tebow’s first 2 years in the NFL as a QB were better than Steve Young’s first 2 years in the NFL.

Young had a pretty bad first 7 years in the league. He was clearly a backup (between 1987 and 1990 he threw a total of 324 balls), and didn't mind that he was a backup. It was only when the Niners didn't have a choice that they found a way to make it work. We should also note that you can't really compare the numbers between 1986 and 2011; Steve Young's second season made him around the #20 QB; Tebow was more around the #30 QB. Dan Marino (undisputed #1 in 1986) would be more like #8 in 2011, based on the pure numbers.

One other thing to note is that Young was sacked 47 times in 1986. He was on a really really terrible team (Tampa). The team was so bad it took them another 10 years to even get to a winning season. So let's not compare Tim Tebow with Steve Young - he's not Steve Young, he played in a different era, and on a different type of team - almost a different type of game. It's just not relevant.

Instead, let's look at the guys of Tebow's era with similar numbers and what happened to them:
Player    Tm    Age
Curtis Painter    IND    26
John Skelton    ARI    23
Christian Ponder    MIN    23
Tim Tebow    DEN    24
Sam Bradford    STL    24
Blaine Gabbert    JAX    22

These are the guys who threw more than 200 passes in 2011 with a completion% under 55% (which btw doesn't include Mark Sanchez and Colt McCoy), All of them were young kids; all of them were judged harshly. Most of them didn't get a lot of opportunities; only one is still in the league, as a backup. 

That's just the way it is; it's a tough game, and if you don't fit, you're out.

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On 8/3/2021 at 6:50 PM, PrestigeWW said:

And they were better after he left.

His QBR was 38.6. He completed less than 47% of his passes. He was absolutely fun to watch and root for, but an atrocious passer. 32 teams passed on him as a QB and continue to do so for this reason.

He might’ve been able to change positions but his ego prevented him from doing so for about a decade. Opting instead to be a minor league gate draw whilst depriving some 20 year old a shot at the bigs to struggle to hit .220.

This is just another chapter for the book tour and speaking engagements that Tebow has pretty much made a career out of. He’s nothing more than a sideshow.

They were better after getting a top 3 QB of all time? Shocker.

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9 hours ago, Gohawks said:

They were better after getting a top 3 QB of all time? Shocker.

Almost anything would've been a significant improvement when your starter is looking up at Mark Sanchez, Rex Grossman, and Josh Freeman. Kudos to Tebow and the power of Christ for persevering to beat out Kyle F'ing Orton. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/passing.htm

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On 8/4/2021 at 8:29 AM, markrc99 said:

Oh, of course, your very own unique perspective...  that just happens to be identical to the mass, bobbin-head hate machine. You must know that at the collegiate level he had enormous success, winning national championships and he was a big part of the reason why! Mentioned again & again that early on he had success at the professional level. So here's this very young man who had every reason to believe he'd fulfill his dream, but it just evaporated. To suggest he was simply too arrogant, you don't know jack. 

Corroborating DHC's point, currently at nfl.com/fantasty, you can find him but on his profile window there's still no image of him & "There is no recent news about Tim Tebow." How could you not know that that is complete BS!!! You can access far more meaningless content on any number of players.....

ELI5 the difference between Tebow and Erik Crouch.

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2 hours ago, PrestigeWW said:

Almost anything would've been a significant improvement when your starter is looking up at Mark Sanchez, Rex Grossman, and Josh Freeman. Kudos to Tebow and the power of Christ for persevering to beat out Kyle F'ing Orton. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2011/passing.htm

He also dropped 370 total yards and 3 TDS on the #1 defense in the playoffs 

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7 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

He also dropped 370 total yards and 3 TDS on the #1 defense in the playoffs 

10/21 passing for 316 yards padded by the 80 yard jailbreak TD in OT. 

He got exposed the very next game by Bill to the tune of 9/26 for 136 passing and 5 carries for 13 yards on the ground. 

Basically set the edge and make him beat you with his arm - which he was incapable of doing. 

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45 minutes ago, PrestigeWW said:

10/21 passing for 316 yards padded by the 80 yard jailbreak TD in OT. 

He got exposed the very next game by Bill to the tune of 9/26 for 136 passing and 5 carries for 13 yards on the ground. 

Basically set the edge and make him beat you with his arm - which he was incapable of doing. 

Padded?

A game winning TD pass in OT isn't padded lmao. What kind of mental gymnastics is that?

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3 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

Padded?

A game winning TD pass in OT isn't padded lmao. What kind of mental gymnastics is that?

Don't me get wrong, all stats count, but to say he was having a great day prior to that play is an exaggeration.

That aside, your argument falls apart one week later. He had one of the worst performances by a QB in the playoffs ever. What kind of mental gymnastics are needed to ignore that?

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